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The Annoyed Man wrote:

Dr.Wayne wrote:who cares?

just dont do anything stupid to get arrested and you wont have a problem.

And if they get a false positive on your prints? The goobermint won't be paying for your legal fees and other costs while you're getting rousted.

I care. You should too. The fact that not enough people care anymore is exactly why the federal government thinks it can get away with this kind of crapulence.

And that false positive could cause "Dr.Wayne" to lose his license / board certification and there goes your income, as well. Of course, once the false positive is sorted out, it might only take a year or two to get that reinstated. Then you can begin rebuilding your reputation that was damaged when everyone saw the first reports on the news. Of course, when it gets sorted out, that won't be reported because it isn't news.

Understand all points here but as others mentioned above, I too have been printed for DOD, DOE, DHS, TSA, multiple CHL/CHP, driver license in three states. So they're out there and I don't know what could be done. And let's go ahead and add to all of this that they do the same things for DNA (never get rid of it) and I certainly don't believe that all the governmental cameras get rid of facial recognition scans taken.

Glockster wrote:Understand all points here but as others mentioned above, I too have been printed for DOD, DOE, DHS, TSA, multiple CHL/CHP, driver license in three states. So they're out there and I don't know what could be done. And let's go ahead and add to all of this that they do the same things for DNA (never get rid of it) and I certainly don't believe that all the governmental cameras get rid of facial recognition scans taken.

I agree that there may not be much that can be done about it all from a practical perspective, but that does not make it right when an overarching federal government begins to collect all that data and maintain a file on you. Why are they doing it? Because they can. We should oppose that at every turn, so long as it is within our power to do so.

Knowing that my prints are on file due to such things as clearances and employment as a LEO is different than having them searchable as if they were part of a criminal database.

I'm wondering if open records requests of how many times your prints have been searched and by whom the request was made might have a stultifying effect.

It should not be forgotten that, among others, the terrorists who pirated the planes on 09/11 were all "legally" in this country and therefore had been fingerprinted, and yet that did not deter them from their nefarious criminal scheme.

The Annoyed Man wrote:

Glockster wrote:Understand all points here but as others mentioned above, I too have been printed for DOD, DOE, DHS, TSA, multiple CHL/CHP, driver license in three states. So they're out there and I don't know what could be done. And let's go ahead and add to all of this that they do the same things for DNA (never get rid of it) and I certainly don't believe that all the governmental cameras get rid of facial recognition scans taken.

I agree that there may not be much that can be done about it all from a practical perspective, but that does not make it right when an overarching federal government begins to collect all that data and maintain a file on you. Why are they doing it? Because they can. We should oppose that at every turn, so long as it is within our power to do so.

I don't disagree with that at all. I just doubt that we can do much about it. I'm certainly all for the effort in trying to do something, just see this as tilting at very tall windmills especially given the recent court decisions about NSA phone data collection being constitutional and see that as a similar issue.

Glockster wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:

Glockster wrote:Understand all points here but as others mentioned above, I too have been printed for DOD, DOE, DHS, TSA, multiple CHL/CHP, driver license in three states. So they're out there and I don't know what could be done. And let's go ahead and add to all of this that they do the same things for DNA (never get rid of it) and I certainly don't believe that all the governmental cameras get rid of facial recognition scans taken.

I agree that there may not be much that can be done about it all from a practical perspective, but that does not make it right when an overarching federal government begins to collect all that data and maintain a file on you. Why are they doing it? Because they can. We should oppose that at every turn, so long as it is within our power to do so.[/quote
I don't disagree with that at all. I just doubt that we can do much about it. I'm certainly all for the effort in trying to do something, just see this as tilting at very tall windmills especially given the recent court decisions about NSA phone data collection being constitutional and see that as a similar issue.

Here's a thought....... The daggum feebs know more about you and me than they do about criminals sneaking into the country illegally! Not only that, they apply more diligence to amassing more data about you and me than they do to amassing data on those who are here illegally.......INCLUDING any terrorists who might sneak across the border.

I, for one, would like to see them apply their focus in the proper direction, and NOT in trying to collect as much on me as they can to ensure that I am a nice docile little subject to their self-awarded crowns.

.....but I'm not bitter about it. No. Not at all.......

The Annoyed Man wrote:

Glockster wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:

Glockster wrote:Understand all points here but as others mentioned above, I too have been printed for DOD, DOE, DHS, TSA, multiple CHL/CHP, driver license in three states. So they're out there and I don't know what could be done. And let's go ahead and add to all of this that they do the same things for DNA (never get rid of it) and I certainly don't believe that all the governmental cameras get rid of facial recognition scans taken.

I agree that there may not be much that can be done about it all from a practical perspective, but that does not make it right when an overarching federal government begins to collect all that data and maintain a file on you. Why are they doing it? Because they can. We should oppose that at every turn, so long as it is within our power to do so.[/quote
I don't disagree with that at all. I just doubt that we can do much about it. I'm certainly all for the effort in trying to do something, just see this as tilting at very tall windmills especially given the recent court decisions about NSA phone data collection being constitutional and see that as a similar issue.

Here's a thought....... The daggum feebs know more about you and me than they do about criminals sneaking into the country illegally! Not only that, they apply more diligence to amassing more data about you and me than they do to amassing data on those who are here illegally.......INCLUDING any terrorists who might sneak across the border.

I, for one, would like to see them apply their focus in the proper direction, and NOT in trying to collect as much on me as they can to ensure that I am a nice docile little subject to their self-awarded crowns.

.....but I'm not bitter about it. No. Not at all.......

Perhaps, just a bit --- annoyed?

I'm happy for them to know a lot about me. Saves mis-identification. Doesn't matter much to me because my entire life is an open book to the military/feds anyway, considering the security clearances I have held.

sjfcontrol wrote:Perhaps, just a bit --- annoyed?

That would begin to cover it.

oohrah wrote:I'm happy for them to know a lot about me. Saves mis-identification. Doesn't matter much to me because my entire life is an open book to the military/feds anyway, considering the security clearances I have held.

And I can't get mad about that, because if you've held those clearances, then the government knowing all about you is entirely appropriate.

I have NOT ever had a security clearance, nor do I ever want one. Therefore, there is no need to amass a file on me. But it appears they will anyway, and that most sincerely ticks me off as a matter of principle if nothing else.

Beiruty wrote:Not to panic, all those Bio-metrics are to positively ID you.Thus to just avoid searching for John Smith or Juan Gonzales and have 1240 hits on a single search.

BTW, Retina Scan would be next and/or hand blood vessels bio-metrics. Retina Scan is easier/cheaper/portable and has been tested in Iraq.

Assuming this move toward ubiquitous biometric data collection is inevitable (and I wish it were not, but such is life as we know it), for me the best one is the retina scan.

In my nearly 50+ years on this planet, I've never ONCE had an eye doctor be able to do one of those computerized eye-test thingies successfully on my eyes. My eyes are extremely light sensitive, and I tear up instantly even getting close to the machine. (They're a bit moist now, just thinking about it - yeah, I'm a real wuss.) Unless the retina scan can be done sans-illumination, I'll remain a perpetual ghost in the world of retina-scan biometrics while y'all are tracked constantly.

Vol Texan wrote:

Beiruty wrote:Not to panic, all those Bio-metrics are to positively ID you.Thus to just avoid searching for John Smith or Juan Gonzales and have 1240 hits on a single search.

BTW, Retina Scan would be next and/or hand blood vessels bio-metrics. Retina Scan is easier/cheaper/portable and has been tested in Iraq.

Assuming this move toward ubiquitous biometric data collection is inevitable (and I wish it were not, but such is life as we know it), for me the best one is the retina scan.

In my nearly 50+ years on this planet, I've never ONCE had an eye doctor be able to do one of those computerized eye-test thingies successfully on my eyes. My eyes are extremely light sensitive, and I tear up instantly even getting close to the machine. (They're a bit moist now, just thinking about it - yeah, I'm a real wuss.) Unless the retina scan can be done sans-illumination, I'll remain a perpetual ghost in the world of retina-scan biometrics while y'all are tracked constantly.

No retina scan for you, just extend your right hand and place it on the scanner.

Most of the DHS biometrics these days use iris scans vice retina scans.

ScottDLS wrote:Most of the DHS biometrics these days use iris scans vice retina scans.

Colored contact lenses anyone?











Etc., etc., etc......

i knew the fbi kept all the information which i was ok with since i acknowledged that at the time of submitting for various checks but i did not give consent to be lumped into a criminal database having done nothing wrong.
Yet another example of the government overstepping the line between "keeping us safe" and privacy.

How many misidentified prints will we have now? and how many false arrests? fingerprint matching isnt fullproof, especially if some agencies use a lower match ratio

Bad deal .