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tomtexan wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:Anybody got a picture of this so-called professor. Therein might lie the answer to the reasoning of her post.

http://www.law.miami.edu/faculty/mary-anne-franks

Well, she ain't no Janet Reno look alike.

AndyC wrote:

During October 20 testimony on the campus carry legislation currently under consideration by Florida lawmakers, Miami University law professor Mary Anne Franks contended that allowing women to be armed for self-defense will not accomplish much because they cannot use guns effectively.

According to the Herald-Tribune, Franks argued that guns are “highly effective” when they are being used for crimes, “but are rarely effective in preventing them.” And she suggested the idea that women will be able to stop a sexual assault with a gun is simply not realistic.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... fectively/

The Breitbart headline is taking Franks disingenuous statements out of context. What the anti Frank posits is a straw man argument:

According to the Herald-Tribune, Franks argued that guns are “highly effective” when they are being used for crimes, “but are rarely effective in preventing them.” And she suggested the idea that women will be able to stop a sexual assault with a gun is simply not realistic.

She claimed that armed women will not be successful because most victims of such assault know their attackers. She said the only way arming a woman will help is if the woman plans on “going out on a date with her hand on a gun.” The Tallahassee Democrat quoted Franks saying, “Studies done by many, many professional[s] have shown that it is really, really unlikely for anyone to use a gun effectively in self defense, especially in cases of sexual assault.”

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... fectively/

Her argument focuses only on the reactive use of a gun, when in fact studies support that just the perception of a potential victim being armed can prevent an attack:

Through in-depth interviews with 1,874 imprisoned felons conducted between August, 1982, and January, 1983, the government-funded researchers delved into the deep-seated attitudes of criminals on the questions of weapons choice, deterrence, attitudes toward “gun control,” criminal history, and firearms acquisition. The prisoners, studied under a grant from the National Institute of Justice of the U.S. Justice Department

Fifty-six percent of the felons surveyed agreed that “A criminal is not going to mess around with a victim he knows is armed with a gun;” 74% agreed that “One reason burglars avoid houses when people are at home is that they fear being shot.”
A 57% majority agreed that “Most criminals are more worried about meeting an armed victim than they are about running into the police.” In asking felons what they personally thought about while committing crimes, 34% indicated that they thought about getting “shot at by police” or “shot by victim.”

Interesting article. You should save the link to share with other "know it all experts"
https://twg2a.wordpress.com/2011/11/05/ ... -a-victim/

Middle Age Russ wrote:There seems to be an epidemic in academic circles of professors taking stances and making statements about issues they have no personal experience with or understanding of. The media seems to flock to them lending an air of legitimacy to their views that is unwarranted.

For some reason credibility is granted to people with zero experience in the subjects they speak about simply because they have the title of professor, or have a doctorate.

Don't be so quick to assume she's a moron. The signature feature of the anti-selfdefense crowd and liberals in general is that they are pathological liars. I'm sure she doesn't actually care what is real or true if it doesn't serve her agenda. She may be a feminist, and the current goal of feminism is not mere equality, as it used to be, but to make women free from any responsibility or accountability for their choices, decisions, or actions. You can't have that goal and also have women using good judgement and taking responsibility for their own defense.

AndyC wrote:

jb2012 wrote:

Middle Age Russ wrote:There seems to be an epidemic in academic circles of professors taking stances and making statements about issues they have no personal experience with or understanding of. The media seems to flock to them lending an air of legitimacy to their views that is unwarranted.

For some reason credibility is granted to people with zero experience in the subjects they speak about simply because they have the title of professor, or have a doctorate.

As you probably know, that's a pretty good example of the logical fallacy called 'Appeal to authority".

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacie ... ority.html

definitely! We just went over fallacies in a philosophy class I am in!

VMI77 wrote:Don't be so quick to assume she's a moron. The signature feature of the anti-selfdefense crowd and liberals in general is that they are pathological liars. I'm sure she doesn't actually care what is real or true if it doesn't serve her agenda. She may be a feminist, and the current goal of feminism is not mere equality, as it used to be, but to make women free from any responsibility or accountability for their choices, decisions, or actions. You can't have that goal and also have women using good judgement and taking responsibility for their own defense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y9BukEBI9c

I sent the link to my daughter (Major, USMCR). Her response was "What a Bozo."

oohrah wrote:I sent the link to my daughter (Major, USMCR). Her response was "What a Bozo."

She doesn't know some of the women I know.

Pawpaw wrote:

VMI77 wrote:Don't be so quick to assume she's a moron. The signature feature of the anti-selfdefense crowd and liberals in general is that they are pathological liars. I'm sure she doesn't actually care what is real or true if it doesn't serve her agenda. She may be a feminist, and the current goal of feminism is not mere equality, as it used to be, but to make women free from any responsibility or accountability for their choices, decisions, or actions. You can't have that goal and also have women using good judgement and taking responsibility for their own defense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y9BukEBI9c

I remember that scene. But at the time it was supposed to be a sign of his attitude about women. Since then the new wave feminists have been working hard to make it a reality.

oohrah wrote:I sent the link to my daughter (Major, USMCR). Her response was "What a Bozo."

Did your daughter write a letter to Ms. Mary Anne Franks to tell her she is a Bozo? Ms. Franks might not know she is. She may just be living her life believing she is as intelligent or more so than the average person.

VoiceofReason wrote:

oohrah wrote:I sent the link to my daughter (Major, USMCR). Her response was "What a Bozo."

Did your daughter write a letter to Ms. Mary Anne Franks to tell her she is a Bozo? Ms. Franks might not know she is. She may just be living her life believing she is as intelligent or more so than the average person.

It doesn't matter if she is more intelligent. Any human can make a mistake at anytime. GOD built that into the design

VoiceofReason wrote:

oohrah wrote:I sent the link to my daughter (Major, USMCR). Her response was "What a Bozo."

Did your daughter write a letter to Ms. Mary Anne Franks to tell her she is a Bozo? Ms. Franks might not know she is. She may just be living her life believing she is as intelligent or more so than the average person.

She probably is more intelligent than the average population, she is just ignorant concerning this subject.