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greenbeer wrote:I think your looking for a logical answer to an illogical problem. Your trying to look at this situation levelheaded and by the numbers. These people don't look at it that way at all. They have taken over large parts of countries with relative ease and low numbers. They strive for martyrdom. So a CHL holder wouldn't be a deterrent to this type of mindset. I see them using different tactics in an attack in the states. I.e. Using a plane as a weapon as opposed to the type of attacks we saw yesterday. That's not to say that they wouldn't try a style such as Paris in the states but I think they want more bang for the buck type attacks here.

They will launch Paris style attacks here. They killed 127 there. They could get similar or higher body counts here attacking a college football game or even the football crowd at a large high school. All places where large numbers of people congregate are potential targets....especially if those numbers are concentrated like at concerts or sporting events.

VMI77 wrote:

greenbeer wrote:I think your looking for a logical answer to an illogical problem. Your trying to look at this situation levelheaded and by the numbers. These people don't look at it that way at all. They have taken over large parts of countries with relative ease and low numbers. They strive for martyrdom. So a CHL holder wouldn't be a deterrent to this type of mindset. I see them using different tactics in an attack in the states. I.e. Using a plane as a weapon as opposed to the type of attacks we saw yesterday. That's not to say that they wouldn't try a style such as Paris in the states but I think they want more bang for the buck type attacks here.

They will launch Paris style attacks here. They killed 127 there. They could get similar or higher body counts here attacking a college football game or even the football crowd at a large high school. All places where large numbers of people congregate are potential targets....especially if those numbers are concentrated like at concerts or sporting events.

They tried in Paris but didn't make it past security. That's why the scum bag blew himself up outside the stadium. Can't imagine what would have happened if he made it inside.

VMI77 wrote: They will launch Paris style attacks here. They killed 127 there. They could get similar or higher body counts here attacking a college football game or even the football crowd at a large high school. All places where large numbers of people congregate are potential targets....especially if those numbers are concentrated like at concerts or sporting events.

Correct me if I am wrong here, but if it is a PROFESSIONAL sporting event aren't concealed handguns prohibited outright - no 30.06 posting needed?

Also, after January 1, 2016, would the penalty for carrying into a PROFESSIONAL sporting event be a Class C misdemeanor as it will be for ignoring a 30.06 sign?

Not if Bloomberg has his way.
Not in states that restrict their residents right to protect themselves.
Not in places where concealed carry is not legally allowed.

One on one a guy familiar with an ak against me with a concealed glock 29 w/15 rounds. Not likely I'll live to talk about it, but odd's are fair he won't be in shape to shoot someone else, and hopefully he will be incapacitated enough that he's unable to set off his vest.

Just my thoughts, places like DC, Chicago, & New York City won't have enough people other than off duty cops, to have any impact on jihad ISIS want-be's.

CHL holders aren't going to deter crazies - jihadist or otherwise. We just have an opportunity to defend ourselves if confronted with it. That is all.

VMI77 wrote:

greenbeer wrote:I think your looking for a logical answer to an illogical problem. Your trying to look at this situation levelheaded and by the numbers. These people don't look at it that way at all. They have taken over large parts of countries with relative ease and low numbers. They strive for martyrdom. So a CHL holder wouldn't be a deterrent to this type of mindset. I see them using different tactics in an attack in the states. I.e. Using a plane as a weapon as opposed to the type of attacks we saw yesterday. That's not to say that they wouldn't try a style such as Paris in the states but I think they want more bang for the buck type attacks here.

They will launch Paris style attacks here. They killed 127 there. They could get similar or higher body counts here attacking a college football game or even the football crowd at a large high school. All places where large numbers of people congregate are potential targets....especially if those numbers are concentrated like at concerts or sporting events.

Especially college campuses that try to keep their status as gun-free zones.

Abraham wrote:I need a bit of clarification on your question.

Do you mean terrorists won't attempt to rain bullets on U.S. citizens because they're too frightened by the prospect of being shot by gun toting Americans?

If so, remember the recent Garland, Texas terrorist attempt?

To be sure, it wasn't on the scale of the Paris terrorism, but it happened and in Texas to boot!

As someone that was THERE at the Garland wanna-be terrorist attack, you do realize they engaged with the Cops outside the venue, never even made it inside - where all of us CHL holders had been DISARMED by security at the event.

So it is not a good example of what would happen if they had come inside where there were CHL holders in attendance.

IF they pick a place in Texas to attack, I can pretty much guarantee it will be at someplace that is a "gun-free" 30.06 zone. It won't be at an event where CHL holders are prohibited from carrying. That's my opinion.

I wouldn't go any where near Grapevine Mills mall during the holidays. Nor American Airlines Center, nor any other large venues where they have minimal security and are posted 30.06.

James

I wonder if I was the only armed one in the Rusk FUMC this morning?

Concealed carry won't be a deterrent at all. Since they want to kill as many people as possible before they are killed, they will carefully choose their targets.

But their most desirable targets are gun free zones anyway. Schools, Christian churches, synagogs, New York City, Washington DC, stadiums, government buildings, and other places where large numbers of people assemble. We've already turned these locations into target rich environments for jihadists with no immediate threat to the success of their mission.

We're more helpless than the French. At least they had the stones to retaliate with air strikes. Remember when the US used to not take crap from anybody? Now we're being bested by the French. Who would-a-guessed?

carlson1 wrote:It is not a deterrent because they are seeking death. Thm dying is how they are able to reach their paradise with 72 virgins.

There is a Caricature today in Arabic media.
What it says, "If the explosive belt is the ticket to paradise, those who provided explosive belt to the suicide bomber would be the first to wear it!"

I think what's more important to discuss is that these "terrorists" dont seem to fear death. So no, I dont think armed civilians would deter them. Takes me back to studying wwii and the Japanese.. How do you fight a squad of fighter pilots slamming their planes into your ship? First, they had to overcome the fact that they are fighting someone that isn't fighting FOR their life, but with it.

Thats the scary part, fighting a brainwashed hate-bred human being.

Beiruty wrote:

carlson1 wrote:It is not a deterrent because they are seeking death. Thm dying is how they are able to reach their paradise with 72 virgins.

There is a Caricature today in Arabic media.
What it says, "If the explosive belt is the ticket to paradise, those who provided explosive belt to the suicide bomber would be the first to wear it!"

Yes, I don't think the people running this evil really believe the stuff they preach to those who carry out the attacks.

If the terrorists didn't care about an armed citizenry, you'd think they'd have gone at it harder here in the USA by now (not that they haven't done some damage). I think it's a combination of large, armed police forces and an armed citizenry that has limited their success. Oh, I understand they want to kill and many don't mind dying to do so. But, what good is just getting themselves killed, or only taking one or two people with you? No, they want the big scores like the attacks in Paris. And large armed police forces and a nation full of armed citizens may have muted things to some degree. Not to mention, a lot of people are already very angry about this stuff, it wouldn't take much to really fire a lot of them up. Unfortunately, I do believe that "gun free zones" are the most likely targets for terrorists, places like sporting events, amusement parks, and concert halls. It wouldn't take a lot of research to figure out the laws and where they would encounter the least resistance. Best to steer clear of places that increase your risk, IMHO.

CHL's will have zero deterrence for Islamic Killers that want to kill innocent humans. This will not end well when Societies decide to stop being victims at the hand of their States. France should be arming her citizens to regain there identity as French and destroy all remnants of this Islamic caliphate. Let the French be French or France will be lost. Countries have borders and culture for a reason.

As far as these United States we have our own massive problems and we need to stop importing more. We too will clash with the State at some point and Citizens will have to undo those acts by Washington that continue to destroy our identity and our culture.

rbwhatever1 wrote:CHL's will have zero deterrence for Islamic Killers that want to kill innocent humans. This will not end well when Societies decide to stop being victims at the hand of their States. France should be arming her citizens to regain there identity as French and destroy all remnants of this Islamic caliphate. Let the French be French or France will be lost. Countries have borders and culture for a reason.

As far as these United States we have our own massive problems and we need to stop importing more. We too will clash with the State at some point and Citizens will have to undo those acts by Washington that continue to destroy our identity and our culture.