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Abraham wrote:Megyn Kelly's not a liberal.

Not even close...

What is she then? Why does she spout liberal rhetoric about the phony "war on women?" I know Ann Coulter and Michele Malkin aren't liberals and I don't hear them spouting leftist war on women rhetoric.

ScottDLS wrote:Cruz doesn't have a long record of saying very liberal things, Trump does. And Cruz actually did what he said he would do in the Senate even as the RINO's called him a whacko bird... He's also a real Constitutional lawyer, unlike Faux-bama. Even liberal Alan Dershowitz said he was one of his smartest students at Harvard. I admire Trump for his business accomplishments, but politically I'm not ready to trust him.

This piece by Caroline Glick should clear the air:
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Our-World- ... ion-442831

ScottDLS wrote:Chump is not a conservative...he's just another New York bigmouth whose ego is even bigger than his fortune. So he takes his marbles and goes home cuz he can't stand up to a debate with a real conservative like Ted Cruz...

If he can't stand up to Megyn Kelly at Fox how's he gonna handle the MSLSD media when they finish worshipping Hitlery and turn their Marxist propaganda machines at him?

He's skipping the debate because he's afraid of actually having to talk intelligently about the issues instead of bloviating.

Megyn Kelly is a joke. But you can't seriously believe Trump is "afraid" of debating Cruz? In the first place these clown shows the networks are hosting aren't "debates," they're TV reality shows. I seriously doubt the attention span and general intelligence of the American public would support broadcasting an actual debate. It's infotainment....and light in the info. These carnival side shows bear no resemblance whatsoever to an actual debate.

parabelum wrote:

ScottDLS wrote:Chump is not a conservative...he's just another New York bigmouth whose ego is even bigger than his fortune. So he takes his marbles and goes home cuz he can't stand up to a debate with a real conservative like Ted Cruz...

If he can't stand up to Megyn Kelly at Fox how's he gonna handle the MSLSD media when they finish worshipping Hitlery and turn their Marxist propaganda machines at him?

He's skipping the debate because he's afraid of actually having to talk intelligently about the issues instead of bloviating.

I disagree.

Trump has his spiel,Cruz has his.
As far as Cruz being a "real conservative", there are numerous holes in his "conservatism", small example found here:

http://conservativerefocus.com/blogs/bl ... support-of

The whole meaning of the "conservative" is overused and overstated today.
By classical definition, no "candidate" on the Republican side meets the "conservative" criteria. They are all flawed.
So, for me, I'd rather have 50% of something rather then 100% of nothing.
Good enough for Jerry Fallwell Jr. and Sherrif Joe Arpaio, good enough for me.

What, you part of the war on women or something? What about Sarah Palin? And Phylls Schafly?

http://www.onenewsnow.com/politics-govt ... nocks-cruz

Schafly told the "Focal Point" program that she had not endorsed the billionaire businessman despite an interview in which she agreed he could be the "last hope" for America.

"I haven't really endorsed anybody for president," Schafly clarified after the WorldNetDaily "exclusive" on Dec. 22 in which she was interviewed.

Schafly, an attorney and author, remains a conservative anti-feminist icon after founding Eagle Forum in 1972.

I prefer Cruz myself, in spite of my misgivings due to his support of the TPP and the H1B program and previous statements about immigration. I heard Ted's father on the radio the other day and I was impressed with the man and what that suggests about his son. However, I am still somewhat disquieted by the fact that his wife worked for the Giant Squid.

For you Fox lovers, this is what Fox represents:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rdoch.html

Murdoch meanwhile is goading Michael Bloomberg to join the race for president

Oh so "conservative" and "fair" and "balanced."

Fox is having a fit of cognitive dissonance. Murdoch doesn't want Trump to be president but the money side wants the ratings and the money the clown show brings in when Trump is present.

New York's Gabe Sherman is reporting that Moore's appearance on Kelly's show had some at the network fuming, with one of her fellow anchor's noting; 'That would be like Rachel Maddow laughing along with Charles Koch as he trashed Hillary Clinton!'

Murdoch meanwhile is not being shy about chasing someone to join the race for president - Michael Bloomberg.

He wrote on Twitter Wednesday; 'This is Bloomberg's last chance. You never know until your hat is in the ring! Events change everything, especially during elections.'

Whatever Trump is or is not, he has done the country a great service by stripping the mask from Fox "news."

VMI77 wrote:For you Fox lovers, this is what Fox represents:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rdoch.html

Murdoch meanwhile is goading Michael Bloomberg to join the race for president

Oh so "conservative" and "fair" and "balanced."

Fox is having a fit of cognitive dissonance. Murdoch doesn't want Trump to be president but the money side wants the ratings and the money the clown show brings in when Trump is present.

New York's Gabe Sherman is reporting that Moore's appearance on Kelly's show had some at the network fuming, with one of her fellow anchor's noting; 'That would be like Rachel Maddow laughing along with Charles Koch as he trashed Hillary Clinton!'

Murdoch meanwhile is not being shy about chasing someone to join the race for president - Michael Bloomberg.

He wrote on Twitter Wednesday; 'This is Bloomberg's last chance. You never know until your hat is in the ring! Events change everything, especially during elections.'

Whatever Trump is or is not, he has done the country a great service by stripping the mask from Fox "news."

Spot on.

Now, if I was Cruz supporter I would expect, scratch that, I would DEMAND that Cruz grills Fox moderators to explain their Network links and ties to the America hating left wing front groups. I'd expect Cruz to turn it 180 degrees back on them.
Now, if he did that, I'd gain more respect for him.

As for Fox, jig is up. There are millions of us out here who are fed up with them all.

VMI77 wrote:For you Fox lovers, this is what Fox represents:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rdoch.html

Murdoch meanwhile is goading Michael Bloomberg to join the race for president

Oh so "conservative" and "fair" and "balanced."

Fox is having a fit of cognitive dissonance. Murdoch doesn't want Trump to be president but the money side wants the ratings and the money the clown show brings in when Trump is present.

New York's Gabe Sherman is reporting that Moore's appearance on Kelly's show had some at the network fuming, with one of her fellow anchor's noting; 'That would be like Rachel Maddow laughing along with Charles Koch as he trashed Hillary Clinton!'

Murdoch meanwhile is not being shy about chasing someone to join the race for president - Michael Bloomberg.

He wrote on Twitter Wednesday; 'This is Bloomberg's last chance. You never know until your hat is in the ring! Events change everything, especially during elections.'

Whatever Trump is or is not, he has done the country a great service by stripping the mask from Fox "news."

Could Murdoch be wanting and working to split the dem vote?

parabelum wrote: Moreover, people can in fact change/shift their views over the years.

For example, I used to hate onions. Now I dont.

No but really, peoples opinions change alot. It doesnt even take years for some people. A simple video might be enough to change a persons opinion on something.

http://youtu.be/vt-vG_TdOT4

I'd also like to add one more thing about Cruz, the fact is that he was a sitting US Senator representing people of Texas who held dual citizenship.
I'll beat the dead horse if I must, but I fought hard to attain my US citizenship. I renounced my Bosnian citizenship that same day when I gave my pledge to this Country before the Court.
I did so because I stand behind no other Nation other then United States, and my Spirit couldn't be at peace otherwise.
It bothers me, at a personal level, that Cruz sat on both sides for decades, and renounced his Canadian citizenship only little while ago when it went public.
It irritates me beyond belief to see Cruz, a TX Senator downplay this.
Folks, he kept his Canadian citizenship for monetary expediency. Nothing else makes sense.
If you are a patriot, then why in the world would you hold dual citizenship? Why be lukewarm?

I know many in the LEGAL immigrant community who feel just as frustrated as I am about Senator Cruz's dual citizenship. I am outraged at the double standard by Cruz supporters who, if Cruz held a Iraqi or Syrian citizenship, would turn their backs on him in a New York minute.
That may be harsh on some, but it's the reality.

I'm sure he is a nice man, but, a so called true conservative he is not. Neither is Trump or anyone else up there.

True conservatives died long time ago, unfortunately. Now we have to do damage control and that means that we must win the WH.
Trump may be many things, perfect man he is not, but Trump is the only one I see who would is liable to clean the filth in DC.

Most importantly, Trump CAN win.

parabelum wrote:

VMI77 wrote:For you Fox lovers, this is what Fox represents:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rdoch.html

Murdoch meanwhile is goading Michael Bloomberg to join the race for president

Oh so "conservative" and "fair" and "balanced."

Fox is having a fit of cognitive dissonance. Murdoch doesn't want Trump to be president but the money side wants the ratings and the money the clown show brings in when Trump is present.

New York's Gabe Sherman is reporting that Moore's appearance on Kelly's show had some at the network fuming, with one of her fellow anchor's noting; 'That would be like Rachel Maddow laughing along with Charles Koch as he trashed Hillary Clinton!'

Murdoch meanwhile is not being shy about chasing someone to join the race for president - Michael Bloomberg.

He wrote on Twitter Wednesday; 'This is Bloomberg's last chance. You never know until your hat is in the ring! Events change everything, especially during elections.'

Whatever Trump is or is not, he has done the country a great service by stripping the mask from Fox "news."

Spot on.

Now, if I was Cruz supporter I would expect, scratch that, I would DEMAND that Cruz grills Fox moderators to explain their Network links and ties to the America hating left wing front groups. I'd expect Cruz to turn it 180 degrees back on them.
Now, if he did that, I'd gain more respect for him.

As for Fox, jig is up. There are millions of us out here who are fed up with them all.

My expectations for these carnival clown shows is very very low and frankly I can't stomach watching them. My take is a little different...my respect for any of these candidates would rise for those who joined Trump in refusing to participate in the monkey show. If there was any will for a real show of courage they'd all refuse to participate in ANY debate hosted by a MSM source and get together to hold a forum where a real (not pre-selected) audience showed up and asked questions WE care about instead of what the beltway pressitudes want us to hear.

EVERY candidate would have to respond to the SAME question before another question could be asked. Each would have the same amount of time, perhaps 5 minutes, to answer with no interruptions from other candidates allowed --rigorously enforced. All the media could observe and record and broadcast the event on the condition they showed it in it's entirety --no editing allowed.

It won't happen for several reasons...among them: the ruling class doesn't want to answer to the electorate, they don't want establishment alternative views to be fully heard and understood, and the vast majority of the American public is too stupid and indifferent to watch that kind of informative presentation --meaning small audience, low ratings, and hence, there is no money in it. The establishment candidates would be destroyed in a format like that because the audience wouldn't let them hide from their records --and therefore the GOP would never allow it.

mojo84 wrote:

VMI77 wrote:For you Fox lovers, this is what Fox represents:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rdoch.html

Murdoch meanwhile is goading Michael Bloomberg to join the race for president

Oh so "conservative" and "fair" and "balanced."

Fox is having a fit of cognitive dissonance. Murdoch doesn't want Trump to be president but the money side wants the ratings and the money the clown show brings in when Trump is present.

New York's Gabe Sherman is reporting that Moore's appearance on Kelly's show had some at the network fuming, with one of her fellow anchor's noting; 'That would be like Rachel Maddow laughing along with Charles Koch as he trashed Hillary Clinton!'

Murdoch meanwhile is not being shy about chasing someone to join the race for president - Michael Bloomberg.

He wrote on Twitter Wednesday; 'This is Bloomberg's last chance. You never know until your hat is in the ring! Events change everything, especially during elections.'

Whatever Trump is or is not, he has done the country a great service by stripping the mask from Fox "news."

Could Murdoch be wanting and working to split the dem vote?

That's a possibility that occurred to me but based on the limited info I've seen my interpretation is he wants Bloomberg instead of Hillary and Bernie.

parabelum wrote:I'd also like to add one more thing about Cruz, the fact is that he was a sitting US Senator representing people of Texas who held dual citizenship.
I'll beat the dead horse if I must, but I fought hard to attain my US citizenship. I renounced my Bosnian citizenship that same day when I gave my pledge to this Country before the Court.
I did so because I stand behind no other Nation other then United States, and my Spirit couldn't be at peace otherwise.
It bothers me, at a personal level, that Cruz sat on both sides for decades, and renounced his Canadian citizenship only little while ago when it went public.
It irritates me beyond belief to see Cruz, a TX Senator downplay this.
Folks, he kept his Canadian citizenship for monetary expediency. Nothing else makes sense.
If you are a patriot, then why in the world would you hold dual citizenship? Why be lukewarm?

I know many in the LEGAL immigrant community who feel just as frustrated as I am about Senator Cruz's dual citizenship. I am outraged at the double standard by Cruz supporters who, if Cruz held a Iraqi or Syrian citizenship, would turn their backs on him in a New York minute.
That may be harsh on some, but it's the reality.

I'm sure he is a nice man, but, a so called true conservative he is not. Neither is Trump or anyone else up there.

True conservatives died long time ago, unfortunately. Now we have to do damage control and that means that we must win the WH.
Trump may be many things, perfect man he is not, but Trump is the only one I see who would is liable to clean the filth in DC.

Most importantly, Trump CAN win.

I'm against dual citizenship. Dual citizenship means conflicted loyalties --at best. However, as you said, all our choices have flaws.

You got hammered in more ways than that. The entire system is a slap in the face to legal immigrants. It's disgusting to me to hear guys like Rubio advocating that people here illegally should get a pass if they're here long enough. I don't want them to be able to go back home and reapply either. If someone breaks our law coming here illegally they should be permanently banned from re-entry into the US and prohibited from ever becoming a US citizen. Only immigrants who have followed our laws should be allowed the privilege of becoming US citizens. The concept of amnesty for illegals is a shiv in the back to every immigrant who entered and stayed in this country in accordance with the law. And it's a shiv in all our backs that educated legal immigrants from European countries are run through the ringer and only allowed entry in handfuls while millions of uneducated illegals get government freebies and a pass.

If I had to be on the show with these two people, I would tell them what I have always told my doctors over the years.



TV professionals know who they are, but they portray what others want you to hear and see. That is their job. Ours is to understand the difference.

VMI77 wrote:

ScottDLS wrote:Chump is not a conservative...he's just another New York bigmouth whose ego is even bigger than his fortune. So he takes his marbles and goes home cuz he can't stand up to a debate with a real conservative like Ted Cruz...

If he can't stand up to Megyn Kelly at Fox how's he gonna handle the MSLSD media when they finish worshipping Hitlery and turn their Marxist propaganda machines at him?

He's skipping the debate because he's afraid of actually having to talk intelligently about the issues instead of bloviating.

Megyn Kelly is a joke. But you can't seriously believe Trump is "afraid" of debating Cruz? In the first place these clown shows the networks are hosting aren't "debates," they're TV reality shows. I seriously doubt the attention span and general intelligence of the American public would support broadcasting an actual debate. It's infotainment....and light in the info. These carnival side shows bear no resemblance whatsoever to an actual debate.

I am with the VMI Keydet... They don't lie, cheat, steal, nor tolerate those who do.