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crazy2medic wrote:I have had my P-14 since 1995, it's showing years of use and I know a 1911 is a tough design, but I would NEVER throw it on the ground, no way would I have gone along with that part of the training

^^^^^^^^^ Agreed.
I have a P-13 of the same vintage. MANY tens of thousands of rounds through it, but I still wouldn't intentionally throw it on the ground and stomp on it.

It's a 'tool', I get that. Have always known that. Why make it an abused tool?

When I go to a training class...I pay to learn sound tactics and practices. Not 'drama'.

The instructor sounds like a tool.

You are correct, and my pistol may have to save my life or the life of a family member, why would anybody abuse a tool you may need to extract yourself from a bad situation

Instructors who continue to try to intimidate their charges by such foolish gun stomping may eventually prove that "Time wounds all heels" has an anatomic interpretation.

DocV wrote:Instructors who continue to try to intimidate their charges by such foolish gun stomping may eventually prove that "Time wounds all heels" has an anatomic interpretation.

If an instructor told me to throw my handgun on the ground or such other foolishness I would demand a refund and leave.

WildBill wrote:

DocV wrote:Instructors who continue to try to intimidate their charges by such foolish gun stomping may eventually prove that "Time wounds all heels" has an anatomic interpretation.

If an instructor told me to throw my handgun on the ground or such other foolishness I would demand a refund and leave.

It's one thing to get a scratch or nick from intended use, it's another to purposely abuse a tool. No matter what kind of tool it is.

Just his mouth would keep me from giving him a penny - I would give him a bar of lye soap.

carlson1 wrote:Just his mouth would keep me from giving him a penny - I would give him a bar of lye soap.

He would probably think it was a candy bar.

ajwakeboarder wrote:

Javier730 wrote:

ajwakeboarder wrote:

AndyC wrote: "these things aren't meant to be pretty, they're meant to be tools, so treat them as such". He then threw his own pistol onto the ground and stomped on it-

I don't know about ya'll, But I would never throw my tools on the ground and stomp on them. And if anyone did, they better be able to run faster than me.

Or fight better...

That too, but I weigh 240. They're gonna feel that first impact.

Better hope you knock em out because he will probably be armed and at 240lbs, there might be a disparity of force.

I was always taught to take care of my tools. I would never throw any of them on the ground and stomp on them. Really, really stupid!

Pardon a little cheap bushido of the gun, but to me, a firearm carried for defensive reasons should also be carried as the physical seal on a pledge to conduct oneself with honor and discipline, and with no gaps in my gun handling to admit risk or danger.

Purposefully mishandling a firearm, in addition to breaching Cooper's quatrain of four sacred gun rules, is undisciplined.

Not acceptable.

'Course, I don't really know what bushido is. My knowledge of Japanese philosophy comes from what I remember of Kung Fu reruns and a James Clavell novel I read a long time ago.

I still cannot swallow that the instructors will stand in front of the firing line, in between targets. My aim is true, but there are always unpredictable variables. I would never allow such practices on my property. Entirely too dangerous.

Charlies.Contingency wrote:I still cannot swallow that the instructors will stand in front of the firing line, in between targets. My aim is true, but there are always unpredictable variables. I would never allow such practices on my property. Entirely too dangerous.

I was wondering when someone would comment on that. Plus the firing line discipline on the hot range was extremely lax with students often shooting from behind other students. I did like the little dance they did with gun barrels pointing up into the air and am still trying to figure out why the guy on the end would rack the charging handle instead of using the bolt release. But hey, they do have nice kit.

I have noticed a lot of people using the charging handle rather than the bolt release. Maybe someone can provided an answer.

carlson1 wrote:I have noticed a lot of people using the charging handle rather than the bolt release. Maybe someone can provided an answer.

Maybe as a precaution against the bolt not locking back? That way you know you've chambered a round? I don't know just guessing.