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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:49 pm
by nuparadigm
I can't think of too many applications in which a civilian would need a backup weapon. I know that many on this Forum carry them and it isn't my intention to discourage of demean that practice. For those that do carry them, the backup should be a weapon with which the carrier is competent and comfortable (that is, comfortable with the weapon's ability to stop lethal aggression).
So .... if you're comfortable with the Bond derringer's ability to stop someone/something from their lethal assault and you're good at shot placement with it, then why not carry it?
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 4:53 pm
by Larry82052
I really like all thats being spoken here on this subjec.I respect eeryones ideasm,very sound good things here no doubt.
I would definately not shoot at anything or anone at 15 ft but I tryto imagine being shot at at even closer ranges wit that,and loosing an eye or worse is definately considered.If a guy pulled a 410 on me,I would be leaving the place no doubt,lol.
The pattern at 5~7 feet if someone was trying to kill you woud definately stop them,,there would be to many places he would be hit to go get seen about.Correct? I mean thats a lot of buckshot,,dang thats scary,,lol
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 5:26 am
by Greybeard
Quote/question: " woud definately stop them,,there would be to many places he would be hit to go get seen about.Correct? "
I don't have the book with the specifics handy here, but IIRC, 000 buck pellets are just under 30 caliber - and round. And not necessarily going real fast out of derringer barrel. Possibly not enough momentum to penetrate to central nervous system for a prompt "stop". Assuming they all hit target, about in the same range as a triple-tap from .25 to .380 ... And lots of folks hit with those (and bigger) have certainly made it to the emergency room ...
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 6:27 am
by Larry82052
The regular 410 shell is not 00 buck,its fullof 9 shot.2~3/4 inch round in regular 410 shells.I have shot rabbit for years with them in my 410.
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:23 am
by Greybeard
Number 9 shot is not even considered "buckshot" and would be at the very bottom of my list for self defense purposes. Particularly out of a short barrel, I'd save those for things no bigger than a snake. Yes, 9's will put down rabbits at close range, but 6's are far more common (due to better penetration).
Solid projectiles out of of pistol length barrels penetrate deeper than either. Birdshot can make just very nasty surface wound on 2-legged varmints.
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:05 pm
by chewy555
I have been thinking about trying the .410 slugs in my Bond Arms. I think that it might be a better choice over the 000 buck.
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 2:58 pm
by Greybeard
IIRC, .410 slugs are are typically 5/8 ounce (about 280 grains) - in the same range as the 45 Colt bullets. ' Guessing maybe 800 fps out of 3" derringer barrel. Not too shabby.
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:34 pm
by NcongruNt
nuparadigm wrote:I can't think of too many applications in which a civilian would need a backup weapon. I know that many on this Forum carry them and it isn't my intention to discourage of demean that practice. For those that do carry them, the backup should be a weapon with which the carrier is competent and comfortable (that is, comfortable with the weapon's ability to stop lethal aggression).
So .... if you're comfortable with the Bond derringer's ability to stop someone/something from their lethal assault and you're good at shot placement with it, then why not carry it?
First scenario I can think of where a backup weapon is needed: Your main carry jams and isn't immediately clearable. Double feed, for example. I don't think a BG is gonna wait for you to clear your weapon.
Another, though less likely situation would be if your main weapon was taken from you. Yes, a less likely but very serious situation such as a hostage or abduction scenario. In such a situation, a BUG would be very useful.
In answer to your question... people don't tend to be very good at shot placement under the stress of a self-defense situation without a lot of specific training. Sure, you may get a good shot and only need one. I wouldn't want to limit myself to 2 rounds when my life is on the line, though.