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The Annoyed Man wrote:So, the obvious next step is mounting 24 hr security cameras which can monitor all parking spaces to observe drivers while still in their car, in states where private citizens are allowed to be armed in their cars. When the observer spots someone obviously disarming in their car, while parked in the gov't lot, he records the license plate number of the car along with the relevant video and/or still images, and they go arrest the person. OR..... Easier and more efficient from a federal gov't perspective, they simply issue a federal warrant for the person's arrest, and wait for the next time state or local PDs stop him on a traffic violation........
How long will THAT kind of crapulence last before Congress does something about it?
I'm not TAM, but that is the federal way - maybe with a Sovereign Citizen warning. Minority Report ain't too far behind.Abraham wrote:TAM,
Are you blue skying, just venting, or do you think what you posted regarding Federal parking lots is actually on the radar?
Thanks!
Do you know of any convictions for someone carrying in a GFSZA that wasn't convicted of committing another crime? It's my understanding this is usually just an add-on charge when someone is charged with committing other crimes in a GFSZA. Haven't heard of it being a primary charge.ScottDLS wrote:SCOTUS didn't rule on this, they just refused to hear the case from 2nd circuit letting that decision stand. The issue of Post Office parking lots is much less important than Federal GFSZA. I'm always surprised at the people who worry about leaving their gun in the car in PO parking lot, who will drive through a school zone with a loaded long gun in their trunk,
OR off duty LEO's who carry in schools, school zones, etc.
PO parking lot carry is a Federal "infraction" w/ max 30 days in jail and typically a small fine.
Carry in violation of Federal GFSZA is a federal felony with 10 years in prison and $250,000 fine.
If we read the exceptions:ScottDLS wrote:SCOTUS didn't rule on this, they just refused to hear the case from 2nd circuit letting that decision stand. The issue of Post Office parking lots is much less important than Federal GFSZA. I'm always surprised at the people who worry about leaving their gun in the car in PO parking lot, who will drive through a school zone with a loaded long gun in their trunk,
OR off duty LEO's who carry in schools, school zones, etc.
PO parking lot carry is a Federal "infraction" w/ max 30 days in jail and typically a small fine.
Carry in violation of Federal GFSZA is a federal felony with 10 years in prison and $250,000 fine.
Notice he mentioned "long gun". Our license only applies to handguns.Smokey613 wrote:If we read the exceptions:ScottDLS wrote:SCOTUS didn't rule on this, they just refused to hear the case from 2nd circuit letting that decision stand. The issue of Post Office parking lots is much less important than Federal GFSZA. I'm always surprised at the people who worry about leaving their gun in the car in PO parking lot, who will drive through a school zone with a loaded long gun in their trunk,
OR off duty LEO's who carry in schools, school zones, etc.
PO parking lot carry is a Federal "infraction" w/ max 30 days in jail and typically a small fine.
Carry in violation of Federal GFSZA is a federal felony with 10 years in prison and $250,000 fine.
** The Act`s prohibitions do not apply to:
1) firearms on private property (including homes used for home schooling);
2) unloaded firearms in a locked container or locked firearms rack in a motor vehicle;
3) unloaded firearms possessed while traversing school grounds to access hunting land;
4) entry authorized by the school;
5) persons licensed by state or local authorities; <<< How do we interpret this exception ??
6) individuals using a firearm in a school program;
7) law enforcement officers acting in an official capacity.
We interpret #5 to mean people who have a carry license from that state. So, if you have a TX LTC, you are in the clear if you carry a firearm in a GFSZ (so long as you don't violate Texas law by going inside a building). But if you have a TX LTC and are visiting New Mexico (which recognizes TX LTC), you are not protected from GFSZA #5.Smokey613 wrote:If we read the exceptions:ScottDLS wrote:SCOTUS didn't rule on this, they just refused to hear the case from 2nd circuit letting that decision stand. The issue of Post Office parking lots is much less important than Federal GFSZA. I'm always surprised at the people who worry about leaving their gun in the car in PO parking lot, who will drive through a school zone with a loaded long gun in their trunk,
OR off duty LEO's who carry in schools, school zones, etc.
PO parking lot carry is a Federal "infraction" w/ max 30 days in jail and typically a small fine.
Carry in violation of Federal GFSZA is a federal felony with 10 years in prison and $250,000 fine.
** The Act`s prohibitions do not apply to:
1) firearms on private property (including homes used for home schooling);
2) unloaded firearms in a locked container or locked firearms rack in a motor vehicle;
3) unloaded firearms possessed while traversing school grounds to access hunting land;
4) entry authorized by the school;
5) persons licensed by state or local authorities; <<< How do we interpret this exception ??
6) individuals using a firearm in a school program;
7) law enforcement officers acting in an official capacity.
No protection for parking lots, premises, etc on Federal Property.imkopaka wrote: Good thing Texas law already protects us in parking lots, eh?
If my PO calls 911 and reports "man with a gun", the local popo is coming Code3 and making the arrest. Most Federal Gun Laws originate with detentions made by local police. Just look at all the conviction for carrying on property controlled by Federal Law and see who makes the arrest. Schools, POs, Army Corp of Engineers, 99% of Federal gun charges are by Texas Peace officers.imkopaka wrote: While that is unfortunately true despite the constitution's obvious intent to the contrary, only federal law enforcement can do anything about it. State law allows it, federal law prohibits it. If I carry in the post office parking lot I could be arrested by FBI, border patrol, etc, but NOT by local PD, sheriff, DPS, etc.
A well armed militia being essential to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
But it does not override federal laws on their property. So, if you have to pull off the street to park at the parking lot of a federal facility, including the post office, then you would be in violation.imkopaka wrote:http://bearingarms.com/scotus-goes-post ... arry-guns/
The Supreme Court has apparently gone postal, and has decided that you do not have the right to bear arms in the Post Office, or even lock up your gun in the parking lot of postal facilities.
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The justices on Monday let stand an appeals court ruling that said the Second Amendment right to bear arms does not extend to government buildings or the parking areas that serve them.
Good thing Texas law already protects us in parking lots, eh?
