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ScottDLS wrote:A vote for Trump in the Republican primary was a vote for Clinton, since he has no chance of winning the general...I'll vote for him for all the good it will do, just since I'll already be there for the down ticket races. I sure won't stay home or vote for a 3rd party.

Good summary of the situation. I don't like Trump, but I like Hillary even less. I'm not happy about my choices, but I'll hold my nose and vote for Trump before I'll just roll over and allow Hillary to win by default. I think the odds are that she'll win, but I'm not going to just sit around and do nothing. As stated above, the down-ballot contests are also important, maybe more than ever this time around.

Add to that that Trump is not helping himself either by his constant attack on the 1stA. He is not helping keeping those who would wanted to vote for him because he declared support for 2ndA. I am affected, my community is affected by his rubbish none sense talk about banning "Muslim" this and "Muslim" that. Anti-criminal and Anti-terrorism work does work as he wants to suggest, nor his suggestions are helpful in that matter. Now, I am starting to believe that Anti-Trump's claim that Trump is an idiot.
However, from start I assumed that Trump was a mole for Dems to assure Hillary wins. He managed to destroy the GOP as well.

parabelum wrote:Trump is not going to be the beacon of conservativism obviously. He will knock the ISIS barbarians back into 6'th century, that I am confident about.

I'm not confident about that. He'd start monitoring Americans of Muslim faith in their neighborhoods. Let me stress the American part. I will give him that this is a step back from interning the Americans of Japanese ethnicity that we did in the 1940s.

And remember, regardless of your personal dogma, America was founded as a country of laws that accepted more than one religion.

He'd build a wall with Mexico and make Mexico pay for it. That promise is neither realistic or pragmatic. There are much better ways to control the border than what will be a cop-out because Mexico didn't pony up the funds.

Although I do agree he's likely to be much more aggressive and less measured than Hilary, I'm not sure that he's capable of formulating effective, pragmatic policy. He might get it right and nip it in the bud. He also might get it wrong and make it worse:

Alienating Muslim Americans, the vast majority of which have lived here peacefully beside non-Muslims for decades is likely to cause many more problems than it solves....

Hilary is likely to attempt more gun control. That's true. The congress is such a grid-lock that I don't think anything is likely to come of it. That assumes that Hilary isn't indited for the whole email thing, which might at least provide a better option....

cb1000rider wrote:That assumes that Hilary isn't indited for the whole email thing, which might at least provide a better option....

Anyone who believes the Obama Justice Department will indict Hillary Clinton is living in fantasy world.

bblhd672 wrote:Anyone who believes the Obama Justice Department will indict Hillary Clinton is living in fantasy world.

It's OK to continue to hope, right?

cb1000rider wrote:

parabelum wrote:Trump is not going to be the beacon of conservativism obviously. He will knock the ISIS barbarians back into 6'th century, that I am confident about.

I'm not confident about that. He'd start monitoring Americans of Muslim faith in their neighborhoods. Let me stress the American part. I will give him that this is a step back from interning the Americans of Japanese ethnicity that we did in the 1940s.

And remember, regardless of your personal dogma, America was founded as a country of laws that accepted more than one religion.

He'd build a wall with Mexico and make Mexico pay for it. That promise is neither realistic or pragmatic. There are much better ways to control the border than what will be a cop-out because Mexico didn't pony up the funds.

Although I do agree he's likely to be much more aggressive and less measured than Hilary, I'm not sure that he's capable of formulating effective, pragmatic policy. He might get it right and nip it in the bud. He also might get it wrong and make it worse:

Alienating Muslim Americans, the vast majority of which have lived here peacefully beside non-Muslims for decades is likely to cause many more problems than it solves....

Hilary is likely to attempt more gun control. That's true. The congress is such a grid-lock that I don't think anything is likely to come of it. That assumes that Hilary isn't indited for the whole email thing, which might at least provide a better option....

philip964 wrote:I've decided I'm a one issue voter.

Me too. I hope by November there is still a candidate who supports my issue, but it is not looking good.

Solaris wrote:

philip964 wrote:I've decided I'm a one issue voter.

Me too. I hope by November there is still a candidate who supports my issue, but it is not looking good.

I'm legitimately curious about this. I assume the one issue is 2nd amendment rights. If not, please correct me.
Our government has some influence over lots of things that impact us every day and potentially for our lifetimes and the lifetimes of our children:
1) Healthcare. We've been tracking toward "completely affordable" for decades. We just had a president that opted us all in to what was likely an unpopular healthcare system. That system didn't deliver what was promised. We have someone running for president that is an open Socialist. We're probably about one presidency away from a single payer system.
2) The health of the economy. Your ability and my ability to have a job and make enough money to support our families.
3) Retirement. Social Security is insolvent. The vast majority of Americans haven't saved much of anything and most depend on it.
4) Taxes. Our continued involvement in foreign wars, continued deficit spending, and unsustainable healthcare means that we're all going to have to pay eventually.. Our our kids will pay. At least that's the most likely outcome.

Of all these issues, why is the right to keep and bear arms the most important? I'm not criticizing that choice at all, I'm just wanting a different perspective on it.

philip964 wrote:I've decided I'm a one issue voter.

Add me to the list

cb1000rider wrote: Of all these issues, why is the right to keep and bear arms the most important? I'm not criticizing that choice at all, I'm just wanting a different perspective on it.

Because I really like guns. I shoot almost every day.

If I was a promiscuous female abortion would probably be my single issue.

cb1000rider wrote:

Solaris wrote:

philip964 wrote:I've decided I'm a one issue voter.

Me too. I hope by November there is still a candidate who supports my issue, but it is not looking good.

I'm legitimately curious about this. I assume the one issue is 2nd amendment rights. If not, please correct me.
Our government has some influence over lots of things that impact us every day and potentially for our lifetimes and the lifetimes of our children:
1) Healthcare. We've been tracking toward "completely affordable" for decades. We just had a president that opted us all in to what was likely an unpopular healthcare system. That system didn't deliver what was promised. We have someone running for president that is an open Socialist. We're probably about one presidency away from a single payer system.
2) The health of the economy. Your ability and my ability to have a job and make enough money to support our families.
3) Retirement. Social Security is insolvent. The vast majority of Americans haven't saved much of anything and most depend on it.
4) Taxes. Our continued involvement in foreign wars, continued deficit spending, and unsustainable healthcare means that we're all going to have to pay eventually.. Our our kids will pay. At least that's the most likely outcome.

Of all these issues, why is the right to keep and bear arms the most important? I'm not criticizing that choice at all, I'm just wanting a different perspective on it.

Because without it, your head might be on a chopping block sooner and easier then you think.

This is about not only survival as a Nation, but as a matter of personal survival.

cb1000rider wrote:

Solaris wrote:

philip964 wrote:I've decided I'm a one issue voter.

Me too. I hope by November there is still a candidate who supports my issue, but it is not looking good.

I'm legitimately curious about this. I assume the one issue is 2nd amendment rights. If not, please correct me.
Our government has some influence over lots of things that impact us every day and potentially for our lifetimes and the lifetimes of our children:
1) Healthcare. We've been tracking toward "completely affordable" for decades. We just had a president that opted us all in to what was likely an unpopular healthcare system. That system didn't deliver what was promised. We have someone running for president that is an open Socialist. We're probably about one presidency away from a single payer system.
2) The health of the economy. Your ability and my ability to have a job and make enough money to support our families.
3) Retirement. Social Security is insolvent. The vast majority of Americans haven't saved much of anything and most depend on it.
4) Taxes. Our continued involvement in foreign wars, continued deficit spending, and unsustainable healthcare means that we're all going to have to pay eventually.. Our our kids will pay. At least that's the most likely outcome.

Of all these issues, why is the right to keep and bear arms the most important? I'm not criticizing that choice at all, I'm just wanting a different perspective on it.

The right to keep and bear arms means that the government can not do what the British did to our colonial population or what the Nazis did to the Jews in more recent times. The 2nd amendment is to protect you from government, not just the bad guy that breaks into your home. I think in this respect our country is unique. With Obama we are already seeing oppression. When you take your first breath you either buy Obamacare or pay a tax. No freedom of choice. To be alive means you are taxed or must buy a government decided insurance. Didn't see that in The Constitution.

cb1000rider wrote:

Solaris wrote:

philip964 wrote:I've decided I'm a one issue voter.

Me too. I hope by November there is still a candidate who supports my issue, but it is not looking good.

I'm legitimately curious about this. I assume the one issue is 2nd amendment rights. If not, please correct me.
Our government has some influence over lots of things that impact us every day and potentially for our lifetimes and the lifetimes of our children:
1) Healthcare. We've been tracking toward "completely affordable" for decades. We just had a president that opted us all in to what was likely an unpopular healthcare system. That system didn't deliver what was promised. We have someone running for president that is an open Socialist. We're probably about one presidency away from a single payer system.
2) The health of the economy. Your ability and my ability to have a job and make enough money to support our families.
3) Retirement. Social Security is insolvent. The vast majority of Americans haven't saved much of anything and most depend on it.
4) Taxes. Our continued involvement in foreign wars, continued deficit spending, and unsustainable healthcare means that we're all going to have to pay eventually.. Our our kids will pay. At least that's the most likely outcome.

Of all these issues, why is the right to keep and bear arms the most important? I'm not criticizing that choice at all, I'm just wanting a different perspective on it.

The 2nd is most important and this website explains it pretty well. Lose the 2nd, lose them all eventually.

The Six Things Americans Should Know About the Second Amendment, by Richard W. Stevens

http://jpfo.org/filegen-n-z/six-about-2nd.htm

I HATE THIS ELECTION!!! There should be an emoji for a primal scream!

stroo wrote:I HATE THIS ELECTION!!! There should be an emoji for a primal scream!

https://youtu.be/jkJR2LEihQY

That is my feeling about this election!!!