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Re: For those that get hung up on semantics

Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 2:10 pm
by philip964
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Re: For those that get hung up on semantics

Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 2:24 pm
by WildBill
TexasTornado wrote:Ok for those of us young whippersnappers would someone care to explain "clip"?
Some people have issues with calling a magazine [the metal thing that you load your ammo into] a clip.
I think that most of it comes from training that people had in the military where the drill instructor
gives the recruits a bad time if they call a magazine a clip or call a rifle a gun.
While I sometimes get hung up on semantics, the clip thing doesn't bother me.
As I recall, when I first started shooting I was taught to call them clips.
That is what the manufacturers called them.

Re: For those that get hung up on semantics

Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 2:32 pm
by ScottDLS
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Re: For those that get hung up on semantics

Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 2:37 pm
by G26ster
TexasTornado wrote:Ok for those of us young whippersnappers would someone care to explain "clip"?
A "clip" is a metal bar that holds cartridges in preparation to load into a magazine or the firearm itself. The end of the clip is inserted on the edge of the magazine or firearm receiver, and the rounds are "pushed into the magazine or firearm. The clip is then ready to reload cartridges in it, and reuse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoSNHe413rY

Re: For those that get hung up on semantics

Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 2:38 pm
by TexasTornado
WildBill wrote:
TexasTornado wrote:Ok for those of us young whippersnappers would someone care to explain "clip"?
Some people have issues with calling a magazine [the metal thing that you load your ammo into] a clip.
I think that most of it comes from training that people had in the military where the drill instructor
gives the recruits a bad time if they call a magazine a clip or call a rifle a gun.
While I sometimes get hung up on semantics, the clip thing doesn't bother me.
As I recall, when I first started shooting I was taught to call them clips.
That is what the manufacturers called them.
Gotcha. I can live with that. At least it doesn't have an alternate meaning like "gun" does in some circles. Pervy man things....sigh.

Re: For those that get hung up on semantics

Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 2:40 pm
by TexasTornado
    G26ster wrote:
    TexasTornado wrote:Ok for those of us young whippersnappers would someone care to explain "clip"?
    A "clip" is a metal bar that holds cartridges in preparation to load into a magazine or the firearm itself. The end of the clip is inserted on the edge of the magazine of firearm receiver, and the rounds are "pushed into the magazine or firearm. The clip is then ready to reload cartridges in it, and reuse.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoSNHe413rY
    I've always heard those called speed loaders. :headscratch

    Re: For those that get hung up on semantics

    Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 2:40 pm
    by G26ster
    TexasTornado wrote:
    WildBill wrote:
    TexasTornado wrote:Ok for those of us young whippersnappers would someone care to explain "clip"?
    Some people have issues with calling a magazine [the metal thing that you load your ammo into] a clip.
    I think that most of it comes from training that people had in the military where the drill instructor
    gives the recruits a bad time if they call a magazine a clip or call a rifle a gun.
    While I sometimes get hung up on semantics, the clip thing doesn't bother me.
    As I recall, when I first started shooting I was taught to call them clips.
    That is what the manufacturers called them.
    Gotcha. I can live with that. At least it doesn't have an alternate meaning like "gun" does in some circles. Pervy man things....sigh.
    They're completely different. Watch the video.

    Re: For those that get hung up on semantics

    Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 3:15 pm
    by mojo84
    TexasTornado wrote:Ok for those of us young whippersnappers would someone care to explain "clip"?

    It's just another coke vs soda vs soda pop vs soft drink vs soda water argument. Some people think it's cool to get worked up about it and correct people. Some claim it's a holdover from the military. However, many that get worked up over this have never come close to serving in the military. ;-)

    Yes, technically there is a difference but 99.9% of the time, people understand what is meant.

    Re: For those that get hung up on semantics

    Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 3:18 pm
    by crazy2medic
    It's a Magazine not a clip!
    It's a cartridge or round not a bullet!, bullet is what comes out of the muzzle!
    :banghead:

    Re: For those that get hung up on semantics

    Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 3:26 pm
    by Soccerdad1995
    mojo84 wrote:
    TexasTornado wrote:Ok for those of us young whippersnappers would someone care to explain "clip"?

    It's just another coke vs soda vs soda pop vs soft drink vs soda water argument. Some people think it's cool to get worked up about it and correct people. Some claim it's a holdover from the military. However, many that get worked up over this have never come close to serving in the military. ;-)

    Yes, technically there is a difference but 99.9% of the time, people understand what is meant.
    Ironically enough, it was the military that stopped me from calling it "pop". Among other things, enlisted service in the military is great for learning how to interact with people from a diverse range of backgrounds. You either learn how to deal with people who aren't just like you, or you have a very unpleasant experience.

    It wasn't until much later that I realized they actually have fancy names for this and people teach things like "adjusting your register". In any event, it is something that has helped me greatly in my career and in other aspects of my life.

    Re: For those that get hung up on semantics

    Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:28 pm
    by G26ster
    mojo84 wrote:
    TexasTornado wrote:Ok for those of us young whippersnappers would someone care to explain "clip"?

    It's just another coke vs soda vs soda pop vs soft drink vs soda water argument. Some people think it's cool to get worked up about it and correct people. Some claim it's a holdover from the military. However, many that get worked up over this have never come close to serving in the military. ;-)

    Yes, technically there is a difference but 99.9% of the time, people understand what is meant.
    I don't get worked up about it, and yes we all know what is meant, but I don't think its a question of semantics. Calling a barrel a "tube" or a "pipe" is semantics. Calling a trigger a "bang switch" is semantics. Calling a magazine a clip is different. Magazines and clips serve different functions. If I want more magazines for my M1 Carbine, I order magazines. If I want more clips to load the magazines, I order clips. Two different items.

    When I was in the Infantry with a Garand, the clips were packed in the ammo crates. No magazines. When I got an M14, we got magazines, but no clips in the ammo crates. Same with the M16.

    I just think it shows lack of knowledge, or caring, of the difference to call a magazine a clip. Just my opinion. Everyone has one.

    Put it this way, if I enrolled my kid in a firearm safety class and the instructor told everyone to make sure they kept their "boom sticks" pointed down range, and "keep their booger hooks of the bang switch" until ready to fire, and remove their "clips" and clear any "bullets" from the "pipe" when a cease fire is called, I'd be looking for another class for my kid.
    :tiphat:

    Re: For those that get hung up on semantics

    Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:33 pm
    by JustSomeOldGuy
    AJSully421 wrote:I refuse to buy mags from the folks at the Fort Worth gun shows with a huge sign that says "CLIPS". They do not have one single Garand clip on the table...
    Are ya shure the sign doesn't refer to what their prices do to their customers? :shock:

    Re: For those that get hung up on semantics

    Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:52 pm
    by Liberty
    One of the ironic things about all of this is that I've been momentarily confused when people are talking about magazines with paper periodicals. But I don't remember getting confused when people were talking about clips.

    It's been a long time though since I've heard people talk about the periodical kind of magazine, and except for the NRA mags I never see them anymore.

    Re: For those that get hung up on semantics

    Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 7:30 pm
    by mojo84
    G26ster wrote:
    mojo84 wrote:
    TexasTornado wrote:Ok for those of us young whippersnappers would someone care to explain "clip"?

    It's just another coke vs soda vs soda pop vs soft drink vs soda water argument. Some people think it's cool to get worked up about it and correct people. Some claim it's a holdover from the military. However, many that get worked up over this have never come close to serving in the military. ;-)

    Yes, technically there is a difference but 99.9% of the time, people understand what is meant.
    I don't get worked up about it, and yes we all know what is meant, but I don't think its a question of semantics. Calling a barrel a "tube" or a "pipe" is semantics. Calling a trigger a "bang switch" is semantics. Calling a magazine a clip is different. Magazines and clips serve different functions. If I want more magazines for my M1 Carbine, I order magazines. If I want more clips to load the magazines, I order clips. Two different items.

    When I was in the Infantry with a Garand, the clips were packed in the ammo crates. No magazines. When I got an M14, we got magazines, but no clips in the ammo crates. Same with the M16.

    I just think it shows lack of knowledge, or caring, of the difference to call a magazine a clip. Just my opinion. Everyone has one.

    Put it this way, if I enrolled my kid in a firearm safety class and the instructor told everyone to make sure they kept their "boom sticks" pointed down range, and "keep their booger hooks of the bang switch" until ready to fire, and remove their "clips" and clear any "bullets" from the "pipe" when a cease fire is called, I'd be looking for another class for my kid.
    :tiphat:

    Perfect example of my point, ;-)

    I take it you would not buy from them then.

    Re: For those that get hung up on semantics

    Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 7:31 pm
    by WildBill
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