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Lynyrd wrote:I CC at work. We have 30.06/30.07 signs on all entrances, but last year I managed to get an amendment written into our company policy that allows CC only by employees. We have to request permission from senior management, provide a copy of our license, and keep it strictly confidential. No one knows who is carrying. The privilege can be revoked at any time.

And yes, I keep a copy of the signed permission form in my desk, and in my truck.

Would you share how you went about getting that amendment?

CC every day.

mloamiller wrote:

Lynyrd wrote:I CC at work. We have 30.06/30.07 signs on all entrances, but last year I managed to get an amendment written into our company policy that allows CC only by employees. We have to request permission from senior management, provide a copy of our license, and keep it strictly confidential. No one knows who is carrying. The privilege can be revoked at any time.

And yes, I keep a copy of the signed permission form in my desk, and in my truck.

Would you share how you went about getting that amendment?

It's a long story, much to long to be told here on this forum. As a brief summary, I report directly to one of the owners. Over the course of a couple of years (when I had the opportunity) I talked to him about handguns and the signs on our buildings. He knew that I carried, but didn't want them in his place of business. After learning a lot about his objections and why he had the signs up, I posed the possibility of letting employees carry but keep up the signs. I knew the signs were not going to come down, so this was the only approach that had a chance.

I pointed out that just walking back and forth to the parking lots unarmed, especially before daylight and after dark, put me unnecessarily at risk given I was a CHL holder. I also used the DPS statistics on CHL/LTC crime rates. He began to listen, and I didn't push. The discussions eventually turned to the company's potential liability if an employee ever fired a weapon on company property. He agreed to consult with his attorney on the matter and took me along.

It took almost two years of gentle persuasion, and calm reasoning, but we can carry now.

Lynyrd wrote:

mloamiller wrote:

Lynyrd wrote:I CC at work. We have 30.06/30.07 signs on all entrances, but last year I managed to get an amendment written into our company policy that allows CC only by employees. We have to request permission from senior management, provide a copy of our license, and keep it strictly confidential. No one knows who is carrying. The privilege can be revoked at any time.

And yes, I keep a copy of the signed permission form in my desk, and in my truck.

Would you share how you went about getting that amendment?

It's a long story, much to long to be told here on this forum. As a brief summary, I report directly to one of the owners. Over the course of a couple of years (when I had the opportunity) I talked to him about handguns and the signs on our buildings. He knew that I carried, but didn't want them in his place of business. After learning a lot about his objections and why he had the signs up, I posed the possibility of letting employees carry but keep up the signs. I knew the signs were not going to come down, so this was the only approach that had a chance.

I pointed out that just walking back and forth to the parking lots unarmed, especially before daylight and after dark, put me unnecessarily at risk given I was a CHL holder. I also used the DPS statistics on CHL/LTC crime rates. He began to listen, and I didn't push. The discussions eventually turned to the company's potential liability if an employee ever fired a weapon on company property. He agreed to consult with his attorney on the matter and took me along.

It took almost two years of gentle persuasion, and calm reasoning, but we can carry now.

Excellent work!

Since I own my business, yes I can carry either CC or OC

As a salesman I carry every day except when I walk into posted building. when in the office all the time I am cc

RPBrown wrote:Since I own my business, yes I can carry either CC or OC

This for me as well!

Lynyrd wrote: It's a long story, much to long to be told here on this forum. As a brief summary, I report directly to one of the owners. Over the course of a couple of years (when I had the opportunity) I talked to him about handguns and the signs on our buildings. He knew that I carried, but didn't want them in his place of business. After learning a lot about his objections and why he had the signs up, I posed the possibility of letting employees carry but keep up the signs. I knew the signs were not going to come down, so this was the only approach that had a chance.

I pointed out that just walking back and forth to the parking lots unarmed, especially before daylight and after dark, put me unnecessarily at risk given I was a CHL holder. I also used the DPS statistics on CHL/LTC crime rates. He began to listen, and I didn't push. The discussions eventually turned to the company's potential liability if an employee ever fired a weapon on company property. He agreed to consult with his attorney on the matter and took me along.

It took almost two years of gentle persuasion, and calm reasoning, but we can carry now.

Job very well done with a healthy dose of patience.
You are a credit to the community.

pushpullpete wrote:

Lynyrd wrote: It's a long story, much to long to be told here on this forum. As a brief summary, I report directly to one of the owners. Over the course of a couple of years (when I had the opportunity) I talked to him about handguns and the signs on our buildings. He knew that I carried, but didn't want them in his place of business. After learning a lot about his objections and why he had the signs up, I posed the possibility of letting employees carry but keep up the signs. I knew the signs were not going to come down, so this was the only approach that had a chance.

I pointed out that just walking back and forth to the parking lots unarmed, especially before daylight and after dark, put me unnecessarily at risk given I was a CHL holder. I also used the DPS statistics on CHL/LTC crime rates. He began to listen, and I didn't push. The discussions eventually turned to the company's potential liability if an employee ever fired a weapon on company property. He agreed to consult with his attorney on the matter and took me along.

It took almost two years of gentle persuasion, and calm reasoning, but we can carry now.

Job very well done with a healthy dose of patience.
You are a credit to the community.

I am not a credit to anything. But thanks. I am analytical, logical, cautious, and persistent. Sometimes that pays dividends.

I work at a private university <sigh>

RossA wrote:Always CC at work.

Same here.

An interesting question. My employer bans firearms on company property. I came to the company through an acquisition and work from an office I own. My employer doesn't have a key to the front door, pay the property tax, or keep the lights burning.

What a gun grabber, ever looking to stick his nose into someone else's business, would call a gray area.

For my nickel it's not much of a question.

The company has rules quite in step with the state in which they headquarter. On the other hand, that lone star spangled banner yet waves over the land of the free.

My views, however, proved costly.

Day after day after day of carrying a firearm that I am ashamed to admit was California legal began to take a psychological toll. Lest it impact my productivity, I started shopping for a Sig P320 subcompact, my inner nerd intrigued by the convertible nature of the gun, my inner rebel comforted by the California felony it represents.

I couldn't find one. Finally, I got a full size P320 with plans to get a conversion kit for the subcompact west coast felony I really wanted to carry.

Sig wasn't selling conversion kits at the time. In desperation, I found a P320 subcompact at a gun show, a complete gun new in box, at no discount at all. My opinions came at a high cost. I had to buy two guns to get what I really needed for peace of mind.

And finally I have a safe space at work, the feng shui of freedom in perfect harmony with daily attire.

I cc every day, and probably a quarter of my coworkers do as well.

I carry at work. All things considered, it's safer than hoping I got lucky and guessed right that day.

I concealed carry at work, company allows it. They don't post .07 signs, but have cards to hand people who come in open carrying.