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He can issue a pardon for crimes committed in the past that have not yet been prosecuted. (See Ford's pardon of Nixon)mloamiller wrote:What will he pardon? She hasn't been indicted or convicted of anything. Can he issue a pardon for what might happen in the future?tomneal wrote:I expect Obama to issue prophylactic pardons to Clinton and between 5 and 10 of her henchmen.
Watch for this on Christmas eve or New Years eve.
Maybe it worked out for the best that she wasn't indicted by the current DOJ/FBI; if she had been, Obama most certainly would have pardoned her and it would be a done deal. But she wasn't. Now, if a new DOJ/FBI does decide to take up the investigation, she might actually get indicted. If so, I really don't think Trump will pardon her.
And I don't think Trump will really have to push for the continued investigation/indictment; the new heads of DOJ/FBI might do it on their own, once appointed. Heck, what do they really have to investigate? The current FBI already confirmed she broke the law; they just opted not to do anything about it.
OK, but pardon's can't cover crimes that might be committed in the future. In other words, a president can't grant someone the right to kill without consequence after the pardon is given.TVGuy wrote:He can issue a pardon for crimes committed in the past that have not yet been prosecuted. (See Ford's pardon of Nixon)mloamiller wrote:What will he pardon? She hasn't been indicted or convicted of anything. Can he issue a pardon for what might happen in the future?tomneal wrote:I expect Obama to issue prophylactic pardons to Clinton and between 5 and 10 of her henchmen.
Watch for this on Christmas eve or New Years eve.
Maybe it worked out for the best that she wasn't indicted by the current DOJ/FBI; if she had been, Obama most certainly would have pardoned her and it would be a done deal. But she wasn't. Now, if a new DOJ/FBI does decide to take up the investigation, she might actually get indicted. If so, I really don't think Trump will pardon her.
And I don't think Trump will really have to push for the continued investigation/indictment; the new heads of DOJ/FBI might do it on their own, once appointed. Heck, what do they really have to investigate? The current FBI already confirmed she broke the law; they just opted not to do anything about it.
Perhaps BHO will only pardon HRC for crimes committed while she was Secretary of State, leaving open the possibility of her being indicted for crimes related to the Clinton Foundation.Soccerdad1995 wrote:OK, but pardon's can't cover crimes that might be committed in the future. In other words, a president can't grant someone the right to kill without consequence after the pardon is given.TVGuy wrote:He can issue a pardon for crimes committed in the past that have not yet been prosecuted. (See Ford's pardon of Nixon)mloamiller wrote:What will he pardon? She hasn't been indicted or convicted of anything. Can he issue a pardon for what might happen in the future?tomneal wrote:I expect Obama to issue prophylactic pardons to Clinton and between 5 and 10 of her henchmen.
Watch for this on Christmas eve or New Years eve.
Maybe it worked out for the best that she wasn't indicted by the current DOJ/FBI; if she had been, Obama most certainly would have pardoned her and it would be a done deal. But she wasn't. Now, if a new DOJ/FBI does decide to take up the investigation, she might actually get indicted. If so, I really don't think Trump will pardon her.
And I don't think Trump will really have to push for the continued investigation/indictment; the new heads of DOJ/FBI might do it on their own, once appointed. Heck, what do they really have to investigate? The current FBI already confirmed she broke the law; they just opted not to do anything about it.
Hussein gives a blanket pardon to HRH for any and all crimes that she may have committed up to that point in time. Trump takes office and a new Congress opens an investigation into Hillary's various crimes (we still have the right to know what happened). When HRH lies or otherwise obstructs that investigation, indict her for this new crime that she committed after the blanket pardon.
Would that work?
I want her to be sentenced for the 4 lives lost in benghazi much more than her CF crimes.bblhd672 wrote:Perhaps BHO will only pardon HRC for crimes committed while she was Secretary of State, leaving open the possibility of her being indicted for crimes related to the Clinton Foundation.Soccerdad1995 wrote:OK, but pardon's can't cover crimes that might be committed in the future. In other words, a president can't grant someone the right to kill without consequence after the pardon is given.TVGuy wrote:He can issue a pardon for crimes committed in the past that have not yet been prosecuted. (See Ford's pardon of Nixon)mloamiller wrote:What will he pardon? She hasn't been indicted or convicted of anything. Can he issue a pardon for what might happen in the future?tomneal wrote:I expect Obama to issue prophylactic pardons to Clinton and between 5 and 10 of her henchmen.
Watch for this on Christmas eve or New Years eve.
Maybe it worked out for the best that she wasn't indicted by the current DOJ/FBI; if she had been, Obama most certainly would have pardoned her and it would be a done deal. But she wasn't. Now, if a new DOJ/FBI does decide to take up the investigation, she might actually get indicted. If so, I really don't think Trump will pardon her.
And I don't think Trump will really have to push for the continued investigation/indictment; the new heads of DOJ/FBI might do it on their own, once appointed. Heck, what do they really have to investigate? The current FBI already confirmed she broke the law; they just opted not to do anything about it.
Hussein gives a blanket pardon to HRH for any and all crimes that she may have committed up to that point in time. Trump takes office and a new Congress opens an investigation into Hillary's various crimes (we still have the right to know what happened). When HRH lies or otherwise obstructs that investigation, indict her for this new crime that she committed after the blanket pardon.
Would that work?
If the motivation was "getting even" with her, then I would agree with you completely. This is not about revenge. I think Trump should restore the rule of law. That means prosecuting criminals even if they are rich and powerful. Letting HRH get away with her crimes would be a message that it is business as usual for those who are above the law.tomneal wrote:I hope Trump will focus on the future:
- Overriding Obama's executive orders
- Repealing and replacing Obama Care
- Slowing / Stopping illegal immigration
- Can something be done to fix Social Security?
- Renegotiating bad trade deals
- Reigning in the EPA
- Can he just close the BATFE?
- Reducing / eliminating onerous business regulations
Getting even with Mrs.Clinton should be at the bottom of his list.
tomneal wrote:I like the rule of law.
The president should not get involved in individual criminal prosecutions. (Like Obama has.)
Now, Therefore, I, Gerald R. Ford, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974.
bblhd672 wrote:There is another alternative that HRC may face - Bill, Hillary and Chelsea took 100's of millions of dollars from foreign governments, from companies, from people and organizations with global plans and from many other rich and powerful people. One or more of those who will now receive nothing for their contributions to the Clinton Global Slush Fund may not be satisfied with the Clintons fading off into the sunset with the loot.
So this also means that, post pardon, Hillary should not be able to invoke the 5th amendment to avoid testifying before congress since she has effective immunity from prosecution for those crimes.treadlightly wrote:Well, I was hopeful Hillary couldn't be pardoned without being charged. I guess that's just wishful thinking, here's the operative part of Ford's pardon of Nixon:
Now, Therefore, I, Gerald R. Ford, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974.