Posted but manager says ignore it?

[Liberty]

One way to document their permission is to mention it in an email to the "apparent authority." Email is a great way to document verbal agreements. This can be done subtly, for example in an email your boss you can present a short argument (maybe a recent news event) on why the signs could be a liability, and casually mention thanks for giving you an exception to carry. This may not be as airtight as a signed, sealed and notarized document, but its something.

[LDB415]

All good points but the one repeated concern about the manager reneging would be covered by the written permission to enter under the manager's signature. I am just tire kicking right now so it's only an interesting discussion I appreciate and am enjoying. If it gets to the buying stage I'll probably go to one of the other dealers although the choices are 5, 32, 42 or 44 miles away followed by 92 miles to another city and beyond. It would be nice to use the dealer basically around the corner and avoid 32 miles of Houston traffic.

[Abraham]

Why bother with any dealership that posts 30.06/.07?

So, they hurt their sales - not my problem as I can go elsewhere.

And, maybe, maybe not, their downward sales figures will cause a reassessment of their "no guns allowed".

Either way, not my problem...

[Ruark]

I have often wondered about this. Say I've known the owner/manager personally for 25 years and he casually says, "naw, that's OK, come on in." Am I in violation?

Another angle to this: prepaid legal services ONLY assist you in situations where you were carrying legally. Would they do so in this case?

[Abraham]

Ruark,

I think your concerns and questions are excellent, but again, why bother?

Go to a dealership that isn't posted with "No Gun" signage.

Problem/questions solved.

Easy peasy.

Let the dealership and sales folk slowly twist in the wind, wondering what happened to so many customers...?

[Soccerdad1995]

I wouldn't do it unless I had it in writing. But beyond that, I wouldn't do it anyway, written permission or not.

"Your policy is to bar people like me from entering the store. Take down the sign, and maybe I'll buy a car. If not, there are Acura dealers in nearly every city that has car dealerships, and several in the metropolitan Houston area alone. I'm sure that one of them would be happy to take my money. That's my policy." Then start walking toward your car. If the sign comes down, turn around. If not, keep walking.

I'm with TAM on this one. They are being discriminatory and are violating your civil rights. Would you patronize a business that had a sign saying "no [insert name of your religion here] allowed" just because the manager said "oh, you're a good ____, so you can come in, just don't bring anyone else like you.

Now if the question is being unarmed or carrying under verbal consent, because it is somewhere that you absolutely have to go, then I would carry. If in doubt, get an e-mail from the manager, or just carry a concealed rifle (Kel-Tec sub-2000, etc).

[LDB415]

Again, all good points and the only reason to even consider it is avoiding 60 miles round trip of Houston traffic every time going to the dealership. Yes, it's infrequent alright, but it still stinks.

[Pawpaw]

Again, all good points and the only reason to even consider it is avoiding 60 miles round trip of Houston traffic every time going to the dealership. Yes, it's infrequent alright, but it still stinks.

I think you answered your own question right there. You either stand on principle or you give in for convenience.

I'm not being judgmental. Just trying to be helpful. Sometimes it's hard to see the forest for the trees.

[C-dub]

It's not just where you buy the vehicle from. It is also where will you have it serviced and repaired. You will have to disarm every time you go there to drop it off and pick it up or while you wait. Disarm every time before leaving the house to do anything at this dealership. That was too much for me. I will not buy another vehicle from any place that disarms me and if the place I do buy our next vehicle from puts up a sign later I will not return to them except for warranty work if I can't get it done at another dealership.

[LimaCharlie3]

I had this issue come up with a place I like to eat at. It's usually because that's where "the gang" is meeting at. They recently posted both 06 and 07. I didn't know the manager but a friend did so I got her information and made a pre-printed "permission slip" (feel like I'm in Jr. Hgh again) with the business name, address, manager name and title and date and "effective till revoked by management" and "regardless of any posted 30.06 signage". I spoke with the manager, explained why I need to carry there and essentially made her feel that I was a good guy. Her signature on the paper is my insurance and I keep that in the glove box. I just started this and will do the same for each place I need to. Yes, I don't normally patronize these places but if I feel its posted because of ignorance or from a far-removed corporate office, then I'm going to try to make it work for me. But relying on verbal ok alone would be taking a chance.

[JustSomeOldGuy]

Like the old lawyers joke goes, "a verbal agreement is not worth the paper it's written on".

Let's say the X gives you verbal permission to carry, and that X really does have the authority to do so.

Worst-case Hypothetical situation: something ugly happens while you're there. you draw and repel boarders but before you were successful, X got killed by the goblin(s). Do you really want your position, once you get to court, to be "the dead guy said it was OK"?

As for the other problem; a car is a car is a car. If the next Acura dealer is an inconvenient distance away, then don't buy one. Buy an Audi or BMW or Lexus or a whatever from somebody closer who isn't posted 30.06

[Liberty]

As for the other problem; a car is a car is a car. If the next Acura dealer is an inconvenient distance away, then don't buy one. Buy an Audi or BMW or Lexus or a whatever from somebody closer who isn't posted 30.06

That's sorta like saying:
A gun is a gun is a gun. If the next Ruger Dealer is an inconvenient distance away, then don't buy one. Buy a Glock, Smith & Wesson or Spingfield or a whatever from somebody closer.

[LDB415]

Yes, although one repeating thread is verbal and as I've said I wouldn't even consider it without having it in writing and signed with blue or red ink not black. I guess for some people every car brand equals every other but I'd have to pass on that idea. I'll most likely stick with something more sensible like Honda/Toyota but for now this is something to spec on plus the source of a really good discussion.

[Ruark]

Ruark,
I think your concerns and questions are excellent, but again, why bother?
Go to a dealership that isn't posted with "No Gun" signage.
Let the dealership and sales folk slowly twist in the wind, wondering what happened to so many customers...?

Sorry, but I wasn't specifically addressing car dealerships; I was just asking it in general. As far as "going somewhere else," that's not always feasible or desirable. I might not want to drive 80 miles to an alternative location for a loaf of bread, or might have some personal reason for going to that specific place. Let's not beat that dead horse, OK?

Hypothetically speaking: my friend Bill has a business. I drop by to chat about our fishing trip next weekend, and notice he has an 06/07. He says "nawww, come on in."

[The Wall]

Who died and left that manager in charge of state regulations? If he's the manager that means he's probably not the owner that set the policy and required the signs be posted. Managers come and go, so are you going to check with the manager each time you enter?