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TexasJohnBoy wrote:I wonder if the ATF wouldn't look at the PR function and say "that's a burst mode"
Two rounds for a single pull of the trigger...

26 USC 5845 (b) defines a machine gun. It says:

"The term “machinegun” means any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger."

The ATF has said such triggers are not machine guns, because pulling the trigger is one function of the trigger, and releasing it is another function of the trigger. There's been a number of similar trigger systems sold over the years for both AR15's and other rifles. The only difference is that this trigger is electronic and not purely mechanical.

Might be fun at the range. However, I'm not using it in a SD situation.

In the '80's there was some outfit selling a crank that inserted in the trigger guard of a semi-auto and pulled the trigger a bunch of times. The poor man's full auto. I never got one, but it seemed like it would be cool.

ScottDLS wrote:In the '80's there was some outfit selling a crank that inserted in the trigger guard of a semi-auto and pulled the trigger a bunch of times. The poor man's full auto. I never got one, but it seemed like it would be cool.

They're still around.

http://www.cabelas.com/product/BMF-Activator/707343.uts

http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2016/0 ... 5-trigger/

Even though I just bought it this year, does the digital trigger render my FocusFire system obsolete? It has a pair of goggles you wear that precisely tracks your pupillary focus and fires when you say "Pew." A three-round burst is, "Pew pew pew." Requires a special upper and fire control group, too, so wasn't cheap. Optional is an add-on that, for Magpul Gen 3 and higher, can tell you to reload when the mag gets down to three or fewer rounds.

ScottDLS wrote:In the '80's there was some outfit selling a crank that inserted in the trigger guard of a semi-auto and pulled the trigger a bunch of times. The poor man's full auto. I never got one, but it seemed like it would be cool.

Jerry Miculek reviewed one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jif4Wo0LDX8

Back in the 80's I had a Heck fire ( I believe) which was fun for about 5 min. I put it on a 10/22 and had a few 50 round mags. I got tired of reloading mags and I went back to Semi-Auto.

Less than $300 with NFA letter that is good to go, I may consider one. Just for the fun of it. Most likely, I will install it on cheap AR such as the new Ruger AR just to give it some warm up. I like the click-click, next target click-click......
$500 or more, they can keep it.

CleverNickname wrote:

TexasJohnBoy wrote:I wonder if the ATF wouldn't look at the PR function and say "that's a burst mode"
Two rounds for a single pull of the trigger...

26 USC 5845 (b) defines a machine gun. It says:

"The term “machinegun” means any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger."

The ATF has said such triggers are not machine guns, because pulling the trigger is one function of the trigger, and releasing it is another function of the trigger. There's been a number of similar trigger systems sold over the years for both AR15's and other rifles. The only difference is that this trigger is electronic and not purely mechanical.

Ha, touché again.

remanifest wrote:I guess if you're wanting to be like Jerry Miculek without spending countless thousands of rounds of ammo, this is a good way to approach that.

I don't have an AR, but the trigger Miculek uses is pretty interesting - I can't remember the manufacturer, but it's supposed to be glass break like a 1911 and still drop safe.

bblhd672 wrote:Plus since it is digital what guarantee is there that the software can't be modified to allow full bursts or full auto?

I'd imagine the same guarantee that all ARs come with — none, other than most people don't have the tools to make the changes.

User-upgradeable firmware is something that manufacturers generally have to go out of their way to support.

WTR wrote:Might be fun at the range. However, I'm not using it in a SD situation.

Yeah, especially for long-range ranges. I don't want a flat 1lb trigger on anything, but a 1lb trigger that you have to explicitly enable first is fine by me for range toys.

Might be good for hunting, too.

Ruark wrote:The ugly question of "battery life" arises.

Eh, the battery is only used for the "digital" mode. Unless their design ends up being horrible, I wouldn't worry about it.

Dave2 wrote:

Ruark wrote:The ugly question of "battery life" arises.

Eh, the battery is only used for the "digital" mode. Unless their design ends up being horrible, I wouldn't worry about it.

How it behaves when the unit fails is important. Battery failures in a device like this might cause some erratic behaviours. Anything that is small, and combines digital with solenoids is subject to strange behavior under low power conditions.