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If a big dog is latched on my dog and I can't break it up, the big dog is dead.

Between the front shoulder blades into the spine is the best placement. The richochet is not going to go far after going through a dogs head or body. If the ground is soft then the bullet will go into the ground.

If a fight is in progress and they are moving around biting each other then a shot into the ground or a bucket of water will break it up. Most fights are over with in a few seconds anyway.

I'd grab whatever I could find and split the attacking dogs skull.
Baseball bat, shovel, pipe wrench, tire iron, anything I could get a hold of would suffice.

austin wrote:If a fight is in progress and they are moving around biting each other then a shot into the ground or a bucket of water will break it up. Most fights are over with in a few seconds anyway.

Did you even see the Video?

A buck of water or a shot in the ground would NOT have broken up that fight. That Pitbull on the LAB was not and ordinary dog dominance fight. That was a Pitbull out to kill. Theres no question.


I've been around number of dogs, heck my cousin and I would go round up all the stray dogs in the neighborhood to want to keep. Theres a big different between dogs fighting over dominance and protecting property than what was going on in that Video.

I'm sorry but the dog lover in me would have put that PitBull down in seconds.

Just some thoughts...

What kind of civil or criminal repercussions could you expect if you decided to discharge your firearm in order to protect your dog on public property (ie: the sidewalk as in this video)?

I assume that the owner of the attacking, and now dead dog, could initiate a civil suit, but would this be illegally discharging your firearm if inside city limits?

FIFTY wrote:I assume that the owner of the attacking, and now dead dog, could initiate a civil suit,

Thats why you "accidentally" let the attacking dog bite you ;) if you get my drift :)

FIFTY wrote: What kind of civil or criminal repercussions could you expect if you decided to discharge your firearm in order to protect your dog on public property (ie: the sidewalk as in this video)?

I assume that the owner of the attacking, and now dead dog, could initiate a civil suit, but would this be illegally discharging your firearm if inside city limits?

No. State law prohibits them from suing. Unsure about the discharge inside city limits...

First in regard to the video link:

We are all big boys and girls...we are all willing to carry a gun, and if need be look at another human being eye-to-eye at close range and take their life. I think everyone here can handle the video.

Second:
It is a dog...not a SUPER KILLING MACHINE....just a dog. When the are locked down like that, they are on "autopilot". It is primal, and EVERY breed has it in them to be this way.

**If you feel that you must intervene, be fully prepared to be bitten.**

The best way that I have found to remove the dog with the "death grip" (short of killing them outright) is with their collar, or a belt, leash, lead rope, or whatever else is handy. Wait until the attacker is totally fixated on the victim, then move in and get either the collar, or wrap the leash around the neck.....THEN CHOKE THEM. Not just a little....wrap it tight and pull hard enough to pick them up by it. It will take a few seconds for the air to run out....but they will let go. Keep choking them until they are so oxygen depleted that they cannot stand up.

While doing this (this is where the "be prepared to be bitten" part comes in to play)....WATCH YOUR BACK....when the attacker finally lets go....IT IS VICTIMS TURN...they ALWAYS counterattack. They are generally to winded to make a vicious effort, but they will come in.


But like Ruben said....if you absolutely have to... give them your arm....along with a bullet, at contact range!

If it was my lab, I would try pepper spray first. If that did not work immediately, I would take the contact shot and put the pit bull down. In that video there were several opportunities for a safe shot.

As a bystander... I doubt that I would draw my weapon unless the dog attacked a person. I would still use the pepper spray to try to stop the attack.

Humanphibian wrote:First in regard to the video link:

We are all big boys and girls...we are all willing to carry a gun, and if need be look at another human being eye-to-eye at close range and take their life. I think everyone here can handle the video.

I respectfully disagree. The 10-year-old daughter rule for this forum is not just for salty language. To me it means that someone that age might be viewing this thread - possibly without supervision.

I agree with Stevie's post on the previous page. I don't think a video, (that I've chosen not to watch because I don't want to see a nice lab getting mauled), was necessary. I can picture it in my head just fine. By the way, in MY version, the lab whips out a 9mm and teaches the pitbull about a place called Mozambique!

Humanphibian wrote: Second:
It is a dog...not a SUPER KILLING MACHINE....just a dog. When the are locked down like that, they are on "autopilot". It is primal, and EVERY breed has it in them to be this way.

**If you feel that you must intervene, be fully prepared to be bitten.**

The best way that I have found to remove the dog with the "death grip" (short of killing them outright) is with their collar, or a belt, leash, lead rope, or whatever else is handy. Wait until the attacker is totally fixated on the victim, then move in and get either the collar, or wrap the leash around the neck.....THEN CHOKE THEM. Not just a little....wrap it tight and pull hard enough to pick them up by it. It will take a few seconds for the air to run out....but they will let go. Keep choking them until they are so oxygen depleted that they cannot stand up.

While doing this (this is where the "be prepared to be bitten" part comes in to play)....WATCH YOUR BACK....when the attacker finally lets go....IT IS VICTIMS TURN...they ALWAYS counterattack. They are generally to winded to make a vicious effort, but they will come in.


But like Ruben said....if you absolutely have to... give them your arm....along with a bullet, at contact range!

On the other hand, that is great insight to how dogs act when they go into their primal mode. Very good and useful info. Folks may have to start calling you Cesar.

Paladin wrote:

FIFTY wrote: What kind of civil or criminal repercussions could you expect if you decided to discharge your firearm in order to protect your dog on public property (ie: the sidewalk as in this video)?

I assume that the owner of the attacking, and now dead dog, could initiate a civil suit, but would this be illegally discharging your firearm if inside city limits?

No. State law prohibits them from suing. Unsure about the discharge inside city limits...

Can you show me the law that prohibits a person from suing?

player_twister wrote:

But I do not believe it is necessary to exasperate and disturb some folks with the images on these video clips

stevie_d_64 , I posted the Video to add the EFFECT of this discusion. Without that vid, I don't think I would get the correct response to my question I posted. By no means did I mean to offend anyone.

If you have a CHL, you may (pray you never do), come to a situation far worse than this video. No one Forced you to watch it.

To those who responded to my post, thank you.

Again, didn't need to see it, or the need to post a video like that for any "EFFECT"...

I wouldn't assume you wouldn't get a correct answer to your question without the video link...

If I DON'T have a CHL what difference would that make???

A CHL is not a license to do anything but carry a firearm for lawful purposes and self-defense...

Sure, you may certainly shoot to kill an animal if it attacks you...Yep, that didn't take long to figure out, did it...Next???

Linking a video that does nothing but show a couple of "dawgs" going at it is truely something that gives "effect"...I'll give you that...

I am trying to find the way to put this so as to be nice. I have been in more than one circumstance where a dog was attacking either another dog or a person. You may be a "superior human" but a dog in a frenzie will bite whatever gets in its way. People HAVE been killed by dogs, and not just people cowering in fear.

A dog bite is serious business. I speak from experience AND training, and let me tell you, I am not going hands on with a dog.

Choking a dog will get YOU bit. It seldoms results in them letting go. There neck muscles are MUCH stronger than yours.

We should all reel in our bravado and machosim, and take it easy speaking about things we have no expereince in.

stevie_d_64 wrote:
But hey, who am I...The Micheal Vicks of the world unite...More power to 'em...

I love all animals, and treat my dogs like kids. I'm even nice to the cats when my wife is home. However, I feel all animals are animals and pre-disposed to certain behavior regardless of what "The Dog Whisperer" says. They don't see a nieghbor walking down a public sidewalk--they see an invader in thier territory. I love and respect all of them--even the ones I hunt----------I have nothing for Micheal Vick and his cohorts. I only pray he will feel some remorse and grow up enough to realize what he did was less than barbaric.

player_twister wrote:
That says it all. I'm not here to bash you. Your entitled to you opinion, but please don't rob this thread.

Gotcha--Thanks

txinvestigator wrote:I am trying to find the way to put this so as to be nice. I have been in more than one circumstance where a dog was attacking either another dog or a person. You may be a "superior human" but a dog in a frenzie will bite whatever gets in its way. People HAVE been killed by dogs, and not just people cowering in fear.

A dog bite is serious business. I speak from experience AND training, and let me tell you, I am not going hands on with a dog.

Choking a dog will get YOU bit. It seldoms results in them letting go. There neck muscles are MUCH stronger than yours.

We should all reel in our bravado and machosim, and take it easy speaking about things we have no expereince in.

Sounds like a good idea, I did after all base my response on absolutely no personal experience whatsoever..........