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ninjabread wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 6:00 pm

Soccerdad1995 wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 10:15 amSo we have an (admittedly likely biased) eye witness report, that contradicts the story told by one of the shooters in this incident (who would also be biased).

If there's no video, and the two shooters have different stories, and the only non-shooter eye witness corroborates one of their stories, I think I know who I would believe if I was a juror.

Liberty wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 6:45 pm

ninjabread wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 6:00 pm

Soccerdad1995 wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 10:15 amSo we have an (admittedly likely biased) eye witness report, that contradicts the story told by one of the shooters in this incident (who would also be biased).

If there's no video, and the two shooters have different stories, and the only non-shooter eye witness corroborates one of their stories, I think I know who I would believe if I was a juror.

Except it's not an either or choice. If it's the only evidence available then neither party should be found guilty because there would be "a reasonable doubt. "

ElGallo wrote: Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:54 am This is my theory.

Offduty officer pulled into parking lot and was followed by civilian. I'm assuming he thought this place would have cameras or he was indeed going for some eye candy. Officer decided to talk to civilian and maybe smooth things over, explain how his actions are not appropriate, i.e. deescalate the situation but also prevent civilian from doing this to others in the future.

Officer gets out of vehicle, walks around the front of his car, civilian gets out of his car and immediately shoots at the officer. Maybe he felt threatened and that's why he shot. The officer goes back to his car to retrieve his weapon, civilian is getting into his car, officer shoots the civilian through the passenger side window of his car, hits the civilian (maybe in the back hence why there are reports he might be paralyzed) and graces the civilian's passenger.

I hope there is a follow up to this.

warnmar10 wrote: Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:44 pm [quote=ElGallo post_id=<a href="tel:1205171">1205171</a> time=<a href="tel:1527864863">1527864863</a> user_id=23166]
This is my theory.

Offduty officer pulled into parking lot and was followed by civilian. I'm assuming he thought this place would have cameras or he was indeed going for some eye candy. Officer decided to talk to civilian and maybe smooth things over, explain how his actions are not appropriate, i.e. deescalate the situation but also prevent civilian from doing this to others in the future.

Officer gets out of vehicle, walks around the front of his car, civilian gets out of his car and immediately shoots at the officer. Maybe he felt threatened and that's why he shot. The officer goes back to his car to retrieve his weapon, civilian is getting into his car, officer shoots the civilian through the passenger side window of his car, hits the civilian (maybe in the back hence why there are reports he might be paralyzed) and graces the civilian's passenger.

I hope there is a follow up to this.

BBYC wrote: Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:01 pm I wish the chief waited for more information before deciding only one of the shooters should be arrested.

warnmar10 wrote: Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:15 pm

BBYC wrote: Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:01 pm I wish the chief waited for more information before deciding only one of the shooters should be arrested.

I wonder if a police department investigating itself is always the best policy.

SewTexas wrote: Fri Jun 01, 2018 4:20 pm ... And let's have the major appoint or hire a civilian team from the community that would conduct such investigations. just my thoughts as a citizen that lives next door.

warnmar10 wrote: Fri Jun 01, 2018 4:28 pm

SewTexas wrote: Fri Jun 01, 2018 4:20 pm ... And let's have the major appoint or hire a civilian team from the community that would conduct such investigations. just my thoughts as a citizen that lives next door.

I'd rather the major stay out of it. The Texas Rangers or some similarly independent authority. 98% of cases would probably end about the same as they would have with an internal investigation but it would instill confidence in the process.

SewTexas wrote: Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:04 pm
the only problem with the Rangers is that you're still having LEO's investigating LEO's, so I'm not so sure about the confidence that's instilled.
yes, I'd rather the mayor stay out of it too, but you don't want a judge appointing a panel the judicial system shouldn't be involved at that point yet.
I don't know what the answer is....

warnmar10 wrote: Fri Jun 01, 2018 4:28 pm

SewTexas wrote: Fri Jun 01, 2018 4:20 pm ... And let's have the major appoint or hire a civilian team from the community that would conduct such investigations. just my thoughts as a citizen that lives next door.

I'd rather the major stay out of it. The Texas Rangers or some similarly independent authority. 98% of cases would probably end about the same as they would have with an internal investigation but it would instill confidence in the process.

JustSomeOldGuy wrote: Sat Jun 02, 2018 10:04 amIt would also have a salutary effect in certain departments by instilling the awareness they would NOT be able to control the investigation.