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carlson1 wrote: Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:58 am I just stated what the law in Texas requires.
We can require anything we want. If we want them to stand on their head then we can require it. Just don’t be surprised when no ones wants to stand on their head.
I'm too old for that... and too out of shape... I guess I'm stuck buying from Buds'carlson1 wrote: Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:58 am I just stated what the law in Texas requires.
We can require anything we want. If we want them to stand on their head then we can require it. Just don’t be surprised when no ones wants to stand on their head.
I occasionally see guns for sale that look interesting. Then I will read the part where the seller requires the buyer to use an FFL, at the buyers expense, for a $200 gun. Or requires a FTF transaction when they live 200 miles from the nearest major city, and the seller refuses to meet in the middle, etc. I sometimes get curious about whether these guys actually manage to ever sell their guns.carlson1 wrote: Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:58 am I just stated what the law in Texas requires.
We can require anything we want. If we want them to stand on their head then we can require it. Just don’t be surprised when no ones wants to stand on their head.
When I sell on gun broker or texas gun broker, if the buyer is a resident of Texas and wanting to skip the FFL in a FTF, I am good with it. Like I said earlier, I have an issue with putting restrictions on a gun purchase that are beyond what the law requires. I have never ask for a DL in a FTF. That is just against my grain.Soccerdad1995 wrote: Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:07 pmI occasionally see guns for sale that look interesting. Then I will read the part where the seller requires the buyer to use an FFL, at the buyers expense, for a $200 gun. Or requires a FTF transaction when they live 200 miles from the nearest major city, and the seller refuses to meet in the middle, etc. I sometimes get curious about whether these guys actually manage to ever sell their guns.carlson1 wrote: Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:58 am I just stated what the law in Texas requires.
We can require anything we want. If we want them to stand on their head then we can require it. Just don’t be surprised when no ones wants to stand on their head.
But as you said, you can require anything you want, as either the seller or the buyer. If a business owner can require me to not be wearing underwear* in order to buy from them, they why would a private seller not be able to put any restrictions they want on a buyer?
* or shoes, or a gun, or a shirt, etc., etc.
Agreed, i can understand the reluctance to sell or buy from a stranger but it’s so ironic that people who do not want 2A rights restricted by our government often restrict 2A rights beyond what the law requires when selling to individuals.carlson1 wrote: Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:58 pm You can sale to any person who is a Texas resident and as far as you know is not a felon. There is no law that puts you under any obligation to run a background or “check papers.”
If you want to go the second mile take them to a FFL and do a transfer. Short of that anything else is useless.
Very well said.mrvmax wrote: Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:50 pmAgreed, i can understand the reluctance to sell or buy from a stranger but it’s so ironic that people who do not want 2A rights restricted by our government often restrict 2A rights beyond what the law requires when selling to individuals.carlson1 wrote: Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:58 pm You can sale to any person who is a Texas resident and as far as you know is not a felon. There is no law that puts you under any obligation to run a background or “check papers.”
If you want to go the second mile take them to a FFL and do a transfer. Short of that anything else is useless.
Presumably you will then require government issued ID to verify the name against NICS. Then you will not want to sell to any Smiths or Joneses....lots of prohibited persons with those last names.MaduroBU wrote: Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:32 pm The NICS needs to post a public list of prohibited persons and keep it updated. That solves 99% of these issues if the seller is above board and not a straw purchaser.
Then again when selling or buying any personal items, Its good to know th person your selling too is a good person.\, whether its a car, a book or a gun. Thats one reason I would prefer to sell items to people I know personally, Its also the reason I don't sell much of my stuff, my potential selling list is pretty small.mrvmax wrote: Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:50 pmAgreed, i can understand the reluctance to sell or buy from a stranger but it’s so ironic that people who do not want 2A rights restricted by our government often restrict 2A rights beyond what the law requires when selling to individuals.carlson1 wrote: Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:58 pm You can sale to any person who is a Texas resident and as far as you know is not a felon. There is no law that puts you under any obligation to run a background or “check papers.”
If you want to go the second mile take them to a FFL and do a transfer. Short of that anything else is useless.
How do you comply with the law? How can you prove if it ever needs to be proven that a person you sell a gun to is a Texas resident or old enough to buy the gun? To me that is the reason to use a BOS. Texas doesn't require a lot but if your gun is subsequently used in a crime how can you prove that you didn't sell it to someone that didn't meet Texas minimal requirements? If you had a potential buyer that refused to do a BOS would you feel comfortable selling to him? I realize this has been debated multiple times but I only buy or sell with a valid BOS and I want the drivers license or LTC. My choice and no driving to meet half way without first agreeing on the basics. I don't care how others do it. I have never actually had a seller that wouldn't do a BOS so I really don't know if they are even out there. And I have done more than my fair share of gun buying. Much more.03Lightningrocks wrote: Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:24 pmWhen I sell on gun broker or texas gun broker, if the buyer is a resident of Texas and wanting to skip the FFL in a FTF, I am good with it. Like I said earlier, I have an issue with putting restrictions on a gun purchase that are beyond what the law requires. I have never ask for a DL in a FTF. That is just against my grain.Soccerdad1995 wrote: Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:07 pmI occasionally see guns for sale that look interesting. Then I will read the part where the seller requires the buyer to use an FFL, at the buyers expense, for a $200 gun. Or requires a FTF transaction when they live 200 miles from the nearest major city, and the seller refuses to meet in the middle, etc. I sometimes get curious about whether these guys actually manage to ever sell their guns.carlson1 wrote: Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:58 am I just stated what the law in Texas requires.
We can require anything we want. If we want them to stand on their head then we can require it. Just don’t be surprised when no ones wants to stand on their head.
But as you said, you can require anything you want, as either the seller or the buyer. If a business owner can require me to not be wearing underwear* in order to buy from them, they why would a private seller not be able to put any restrictions they want on a buyer?
* or shoes, or a gun, or a shirt, etc., etc.
One can get or give a bill of sale(receipt) with no driver license, LTC, background checks, family verification or thumb prints.
I am with Carlson, comply with the law and no more or less.
Carl, I would not even ask you to stand on your head if your wanted to buy a gun from me.carlson1 wrote: Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:58 am I just stated what the law in Texas requires.
We can require anything we want. If we want them to stand on their head then we can require it. Just don’t be surprised when no ones wants to stand on their head.
How does a BOS prove the buyer is not prohibited from owning a firearm? A DL can tell you their state of residency and age, but that’s it.rotor wrote: Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:49 pmHow do you comply with the law? How can you prove if it ever needs to be proven that a person you sell a gun to is a Texas resident or old enough to buy the gun? To me that is the reason to use a BOS. Texas doesn't require a lot but if your gun is subsequently used in a crime how can you prove that you didn't sell it to someone that didn't meet Texas minimal requirements? If you had a potential buyer that refused to do a BOS would you feel comfortable selling to him? I realize this has been debated multiple times but I only buy or sell with a valid BOS and I want the drivers license or LTC. My choice and no driving to meet half way without first agreeing on the basics. I don't care how others do it. I have never actually had a seller that wouldn't do a BOS so I really don't know if they are even out there. And I have done more than my fair share of gun buying. Much more.03Lightningrocks wrote: Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:24 pmWhen I sell on gun broker or texas gun broker, if the buyer is a resident of Texas and wanting to skip the FFL in a FTF, I am good with it. Like I said earlier, I have an issue with putting restrictions on a gun purchase that are beyond what the law requires. I have never ask for a DL in a FTF. That is just against my grain.Soccerdad1995 wrote: Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:07 pmI occasionally see guns for sale that look interesting. Then I will read the part where the seller requires the buyer to use an FFL, at the buyers expense, for a $200 gun. Or requires a FTF transaction when they live 200 miles from the nearest major city, and the seller refuses to meet in the middle, etc. I sometimes get curious about whether these guys actually manage to ever sell their guns.carlson1 wrote: Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:58 am I just stated what the law in Texas requires.
We can require anything we want. If we want them to stand on their head then we can require it. Just don’t be surprised when no ones wants to stand on their head.
But as you said, you can require anything you want, as either the seller or the buyer. If a business owner can require me to not be wearing underwear* in order to buy from them, they why would a private seller not be able to put any restrictions they want on a buyer?
* or shoes, or a gun, or a shirt, etc., etc.
One can get or give a bill of sale(receipt) with no driver license, LTC, background checks, family verification or thumb prints.
I am with Carlson, comply with the law and no more or less.
My bank won't even cash my checks without my photo ID. I can't vote without my photo ID.
Exactly correct and what are the requirements that you ask of a buyer? Age and state of residence.C-dub wrote: Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:09 pm
How does a BOS prove the buyer is not prohibited from owning a firearm? A DL can tell you their state of residency and age, but that’s it.