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txinvestigator wrote:

AFJailor wrote:that is true, but its totally hypothetically and im just trying to see how many people trust there shooting abilities in a situation like that.

Impossible to say. When thinking about your scenario, I might imagine that there is enough of the BG exopsed for me to shoot, but someone else might only imagine a sliver of BG skin visible.

In another life, we were taught that if your partner walked out of a stop-n-rob with a BG's arm around his neck and a pistol screwed into his ear, you treated your partner as a dead man. You don't give up your gun, because the presumption is that even more people would die. You and your partner should have a plan as to how he would move to try to give you a better shot and try to deflect the gun, but that was some very dicey stuff!

As txi said, it's not possible to say what is the "correct" response without being there. I vividly recall a drill that Clint Smith ran during my Precision Rifle course at Thunder Ranch. After getting the dope on our guns at 300 yds, he told us it was time for a test of our decision making abilities. Not our shooting skills mind you, our decision making skills. “If you’re happy with your shooting, then put 5 rds into the head of the IDPA target, but if you miss even one, you just killed your wife, son or daughter. No excuses; you messed up and killed someone you love and in our book, you just failed the ultimate test.� We had a line of 24 students looking at each other, all knowing he was serious and this wasn’t a joke. The wind was blowing, we were all hot by then (even in October) and it was a gut-check time, even though no one was going to really die. I don’t want to be in that position for real.

Chas.

There is a urban legend in Police Circles and I have NO idea if it is true or not, but it is a great story.

Seems two police partners responded to a burglar alarm at a local business. The lead officer checked the front while the other checked the back. The lead officer called the secondary on the radio with no answer.

He walked around back to investigate just as a bad guy pushed his partner out of the rear door. The bad guy had the secondary officer in a head lock with a pistol pointed at his head and demanded that the lead officer back off.

As practiced, the lead officer drew his weapon and announced, "you picked the wrong cop, that Son of a Gun has been having an affair with my wife for months (imagine much more colorful language)" as he fired two shots into the ground past the two.

As that happened the secondary officer screamed in pain, grabbed his gut and fell over. The bad guys eyes went wide and he stood there as the lead officer then took his CLEAR shot.

txinvestigator wrote:There is a urban legend in Police Circles and I have NO idea if it is true or not, but it is a great story.

Seems two police partners responded to a burglar alarm at a local business. The lead officer checked the front while the other checked the back. The lead officer called the secondary on the radio with no answer.

He walked around back to investigate just as a bad guy pushed his partner out of the rear door. The bad guy had the secondary officer in a head lock with a pistol pointed at his head and demanded that the lead officer back off.

As practiced, the lead officer drew his weapon and announced, "you picked the wrong cop, that Son of a Gun has been having an affair with my wife for months (imagine much more colorful language)" as he fired two shots into the ground past the two.

As that happened the secondary officer screamed in pain, grabbed his gut and fell over. The bad guys eyes went wide and he stood there as the lead officer then took his CLEAR shot.

LOL........

Did the BG wet himself before or after the CLEAR shot

Whatssamatta? You guys never seen the ending to Dirty Harry?

My wife always follows me around,so she would not be downstairs!

AndyC wrote:The cops took him away, but my boss nearly fired me (the lady had complained)

Edit: True story, but I hope I don't sound like a lunatic - I'm really quite sane.

Any time I hear a story like this I think of the movie S.W.A.T. where the head guy says. "Some times doing the right ain't doing the right thing."

I'm sure if you had it to do all over again you wouldn't have done it any different.

SCREAM at the BG Insurance Insurance Insurance on my wife go ahead and shoot her I will be a rich man!

Then when she comes at you to kill you its time to take the BG out.


I love you wife!

BadCo45ACP wrote:To get a better shot at the BG, Keanu Reeves shot the hostage.

As did Nick Nolte and Clint Eastwood.

So I guess I am in good company. Back when I was a young sprout in the Army, we were putting together a SWAT team (we called it Special Reaction Force because the Army had a rule against SWAT) at Ft. Leavenworth. I was the team sniper. One day during practice, we had a bet going that whoever hit the hostage first would buy lunch for the team. As I was getting hungry at about 11:00, we were doing assault drills. I put ten rounds in the belly of the hostage. I told the LT that the first round made the hostage bend over from the pain and the other 9 went right into the bad guy. He was not amused.

But he did enjoy the spaghetti lunch I had my wife make. Called ehr and told her the team was coming over. She was not amused either, and not nearly as easy to buy off.

What am I supposed to say, "shoot the hostage?"


(Ack, didn't see someone else beat me to it.)
I'd probably give the guy whatever he wanted, then I'd figure out what to do as he was on his way out

In the scenario you described, I'd just sit back, watch the fireworks, and clean up the mess when Donna was done with him.

Steve

Actually Charles and a few others have elluded to a fact that the "hostage" is not a passive player in any of this...

They (hostage) should know they are done for all intents and purposes, but...There are things they can do to help the other person out to make the decision to shoot somewhat more feasable, and the decision to shoot more attractive...

A plan, practiced and discussed between all who could possibly be involved is a pretty good thing...

And there are several Law Enforcement types that are very knowledgable about some things a "hostage" can do that has been through this training...

At least it gives better odds considering the disadvantage of being put in a situation like this...

Oh man, Lord forgive me;

Steve, it's all 'intents and purposes'.

SRVA wrote:In the scenario you described, I'd just sit back, watch the fireworks, and clean up the mess when Donna was done with him.

Steve

Steve: "oh man......that's going to leave a mark!"

txinvestigator wrote:Oh man, Lord forgive me;

Steve, it's all 'intents and purposes'.

What are ewe talking about???

I am the last person that tells my fingers what to do on this here keyboard thingy... I just sit back and watch...

Txi wrote:

As practiced, the lead officer drew his weapon and announced, "you picked the wrong cop, that Son of a Gun has been having an affair with my wife for months (imagine much more colorful language)" as he fired two shots into the ground past the two.

Priceless!!!