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Nope, plenty of people shot in the brain that are still alive. I think only a brainstem shot is instant and that is hard to do on a moving target.Liberty wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:34 pm Even a shot into the brain is no guarantee of an immediate stop.
I have 4 patients who survived shooting themselves in the brain.
I would also like to hear from active LEOs on this. On an episode of Live PD there was an officer who was searching for a wanted suspect in a messy bedroom. The suspect was only a few feet away. The officer had his weapon at the ready but when the suspect popped up and lunged at him he got off a shot or three but was still stabbed.Charles L. Cotton wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:15 am Although this video apparently involved an incident in Mexico, I've seen numerous videos of American LEOs dealing with people armed with edged or impact weapons. In the majority of cases these days, the officers are seen backing up. I haven't worn a badge in decades, but I'm curious if this is the training police cadets are receiving now in the academy and/or is this part of continuing education training. This is not how we were trained. I'm not talking about using available cover, I'm talking about retreating from an advancing threat, whether walking or running. Doing so sends a terrible message to the would-be murderer; i.e. that the officer is unwilling or reluctant to use justifiable deadly force. In my view, it increases the likelihood that deadly force will be necessary in addition to increasing the probability that the officer will be injured or killed.
What say our active LEOs?
Chas.
Yes, typically edged weapons are very difficult to defend against. Particularly if your response is with a firearm only. In the circumstance you cite the officer would not have had time to react in any other way.03Lightningrocks wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:13 amI would also like to hear from active LEOs on this. On an episode of Live PD there was an officer who was searching for a wanted suspect in a messy bedroom. The suspect was only a few feet away. The officer had his weapon at the ready but when the suspect popped up and lunged at him he got off a shot or three but was still stabbed.Charles L. Cotton wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:15 am Although this video apparently involved an incident in Mexico, I've seen numerous videos of American LEOs dealing with people armed with edged or impact weapons. In the majority of cases these days, the officers are seen backing up. I haven't worn a badge in decades, but I'm curious if this is the training police cadets are receiving now in the academy and/or is this part of continuing education training. This is not how we were trained. I'm not talking about using available cover, I'm talking about retreating from an advancing threat, whether walking or running. Doing so sends a terrible message to the would-be murderer; i.e. that the officer is unwilling or reluctant to use justifiable deadly force. In my view, it increases the likelihood that deadly force will be necessary in addition to increasing the probability that the officer will be injured or killed.
What say our active LEOs?
Chas.
The actions in that video are mind-boggling. There were so many tactically unsound actions displayed that I can't help but think it is the result of law enforcement fear of being prosecuted for using justifiable deadly force. After finally shooting the thug several times, the officer actually let him get up again to continue the attack, even though it was clear that he was not going to get verbal compliance. The officer being attacked actually holstered his handgun while the thug made his final attack after having been shot. I cannot imagine what he was thinking to go hands on with a knife-wielding attacker. He lost his command presence when he retreated and kept saying "please" multiple times.AdioSS wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:56 pm Just saw this posted yesterday: https://www.full30.com/embed/MDIxMjI3?f ... S-0_zO5X-Q
The officers backed up a LONG WAY. They did everything they could to not kill him, but I also imagine that part of this was to get to an area that was clear behind? Still, that situation got WAY TOO CLOSE.
^^^^^Charles L. Cotton wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:25 pmThe actions in that video are mind-boggling. There were so many tactically unsound actions displayed that I can't help but think it is the result of law enforcement fear of being prosecuted for using justifiable deadly force. After finally shooting the thug several times, the officer actually let him get up again to continue the attack, even though it was clear that he was not going to get verbal compliance. The officer being attacked actually holstered his handgun while the thug made his final attack after having been shot. I cannot imagine what he was thinking to go hands on with a knife-wielding attacker. He lost his command presence when he retreated and kept saying "please" multiple times.AdioSS wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:56 pm Just saw this posted yesterday: https://www.full30.com/embed/MDIxMjI3?f ... S-0_zO5X-Q
The officers backed up a LONG WAY. They did everything they could to not kill him, but I also imagine that part of this was to get to an area that was clear behind? Still, that situation got WAY TOO CLOSE.
I know some younger folks, especially those who have never been in law enforcement, may interpret my comments as an example of pride or a macho attitude, but it is not. Once a potential attacker perceives you are fearful and/or unwilling to use your handgun, the likelihood of an attack goes up exponentially. That's why a command presence is to critical.
I couldn't tell of the officer was injured or not, but he is very lucky to be alive. Scenes like these make me sick.
Chas.