TX: one dead at shooting during police protest in downtown Austin tonight

[cirus]

So, Antifa terrorist was shot dead after he attempted to murder an armed Texan. More accurate storyline?

Good riddance

[Ruark]

This story continues to unfold. As always, there are a thousand versions of it already being thrown about. I'm surprised somebody hasn't claimed he was saying "hands up, don't shoot." Article here has lots of pics and text.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... otest.html

[parabelum]

Might be unrelated and if so my apologies, but this is the reason why these days if I’m going to the range I wear my Shellback Tactical plate carrier with level 3 plates all around and I watch my surrounding shooters even more so. There’s a lot of demented Antifa / BLM terrorists coming out now and I’m not trusting anyone anymore. Call me paranoid.

[crazy2medic]

Might be unrelated and if so my apologies, but this is the reason why these days if I’m going to the range I wear my Shellback Tactical plate carrier with level 3 plates all around and I watch my surrounding shooters even more so. There’s a lot of demented Antifa / BLM terrorists coming out now and I’m not trusting anyone anymore. Call me paranoid.

If You ain't PARANOID You ain't Paying Attention

[tomneal]

PARANOID

Rumor has it that the Marine Corps has a 12 step program to cure your paranoia.
Step 1) Kill all your enemies.
I forgot the other steps.

[03Lightningrocks]

A little more info. The guy brandishing the "assault" rifle was right at the car. Apparently getting ready to kill the driver. Yeah, I called it an assualt rifle since that is what the MSM wants to call it until it doesn't apply to their narrative.

https://concealednation.org/2020/07/new ... E9kDSRscNQ

[K.Mooneyham]

This story continues to unfold. As always, there are a thousand versions of it already being thrown about. I'm surprised somebody hasn't claimed he was saying "hands up, don't shoot." Article here has lots of pics and text.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... otest.html

More twisted mass news media garbage. As I stated before, listening to the audio in the video, the first five shots were rifle shots. Then a pause, and three handgun shots. The deceased fired first.

[Ruark]

Interesting. Yes, you can clearly hear the 5 rifle shots, about a 3 second pause, then 3 pistol shots. Have ANY witnesses at all testified to Foster firing the rifle? I wonder if there are bullet holes in the car. This one is going to require a lot of crime scene analysis.

[oljames3]

PARANOID

Rumor has it that the Marine Corps has a 12 step program to cure your paranoia.
Step 1) Kill all your enemies.
I forgot the other steps.

And that is the way Devil Dogs should think.

[Ruark]

Incidentally, some are saying those 1st 5 shots were from the driver, and the 3 following shots were somebody shooting back at him. What this case needs is a reliable, believable eyewitness. APD was there, and said Foster himself never fired a shot. The plot thickens.

[Mike S]

Link to what Ruark posted above.

www.kvue.com/amp/article/news/local/dow ... e4662f838e

[flowrie]

Link to what Ruark posted above.

www.kvue.com/amp/article/news/local/dow ... e4662f838e

First order of business, stay away from the protests.
However, if I was in a car and surrounded and someone pointing a firearm at me, well....
I kind of doubted the person with the rifle fired first, based on the still picture, he was right on top of the driver, no way to miss.
I am guessing it will depend if the driver began the confrontation by driving into the crowd the way he did.
Would definitely want a trail by jury if charged.

[srothstein]

This is an interesting case for us to study. Latest reports are two LTCs (yes, the media did use the term CHL) involved. The driver turned to drive into a street blocked by the protest. No mention from the police yet if the street was closed for the protest or not, which may make a difference. Some people are saying the driver tried to run down the protesters, so others surrounded the car and started banging on it. While I am tempted to want to run down protesters just for blocking the street, I am pretty sure it isn't legal. This again may make a difference to the legal case. As the people started banging on the car, the deceased came over and is reported to have pointed the rifle at the driver. We do not know his intent, but it is reasonable that, based on national media reporting the driver honestly believed he was going to be shot or attacked (crowd banging on the car combined with man coming over with a rifle and pointing it at him). Driver fires a string of shots at the armed man, causing a lot of the crowd to scatter. Driver speeds off and as he does so, another LTC in the crowd shoots at his car to try to stop him). Driver gets to a safe spot and calls the police to report the shooting. Driver cooperates with APD in investigation and is released pending further investigation. Second LTC also is identified and picked up for questioning by APD. He also cooperates and, I believe, is released by APD pending further investigation.

My call is that the driver will not be charged unless there is evidence he was deliberately trying to run down protesters. If he was driving on a closed off street or trying to run down the protesters, he will be charged with murder. If no evidence of that, he is freed based on self-defense. Second shooter will probably be set free based on defense of others (stopping person fleeing after an assault). But the second shooter may be charged with agg. assault or deadly conduct anyway. His defense is the weakest in the bunch, IMO. I think most people on this board have already state that the best thing to do if you are not directly threatened by a crime is to simply be the best witness possible. His actions confirm that as a good idea to me.

I have said before that people should never confuse issues by bringing in extraneous issues. The deceased was absolutely within his rights by carrying a rifle at the protest. What good did it to, though? His carrying now leaves his disabled girlfriend on her own. He might have thought he was helping people, either other protesters or the driver, but it did no good at all. The second LTC was also within his rights to carry at the protest. He thought he saw a crime and tried to stop the person from leaving. Now he stand a good chance of facing criminal charges and a trial. Even if he wins, he is going through a stressful and possibly expensive process.

[RoyGBiv]

AK guy points rifle.
Car guy shoots AK guy. Beats feet.
Someone in the crowd pulls CC gun and shoots at fleeing car.
Volume differences are likely attributable to proximity.

https://www.ksat.com/news/national/2020 ... s-capital/

[parabelum]

Really doesn’t matter if the guy with AK fired first or at all. Second you point a muzzle towards someone you have started the engagement.