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JALLEN wrote:
One question about this remains unresolved. Are police officers in this city required to carry a firearm at all times, or is it personal choice? IIRC, the officer involved objected to HOB that it was a requirement.

So, the deal is that HOB can have its way, insist on its rights and do without police security free lancers, and maybe patronage of the officers like this fellow, or make some concession.

The business is in the city of Houston and the officer was a Harris County deputy. Both depts have a policy that their officers should be armed when possible and have a responsibility to act even off duty.

EEllis wrote:

JALLEN wrote:
One question about this remains unresolved. Are police officers in this city required to carry a firearm at all times, or is it personal choice? IIRC, the officer involved objected to HOB that it was a requirement.

So, the deal is that HOB can have its way, insist on its rights and do without police security free lancers, and maybe patronage of the officers like this fellow, or make some concession.

The business is in the city of Houston and the officer was a Harris County deputy. Both depts have a policy that their officers should be armed when possible and have a responsibility to act even off duty.

Ahhhh, there we go. Armed when possible doesn't sound like required to me...

EEllis wrote:

JALLEN wrote:
One question about this remains unresolved. Are police officers in this city required to carry a firearm at all times, or is it personal choice? IIRC, the officer involved objected to HOB that it was a requirement.

So, the deal is that HOB can have its way, insist on its rights and do without police security free lancers, and maybe patronage of the officers like this fellow, or make some concession.

The business is in the city of Houston and the officer was a Harris County deputy. Both depts have a policy that their officers should be armed when possible and have a responsibility to act even off duty.

When possible? In other words not mandatory at all times.

Taypo wrote:

EEllis wrote:

JALLEN wrote:
One question about this remains unresolved. Are police officers in this city required to carry a firearm at all times, or is it personal choice? IIRC, the officer involved objected to HOB that it was a requirement.

So, the deal is that HOB can have its way, insist on its rights and do without police security free lancers, and maybe patronage of the officers like this fellow, or make some concession.

The business is in the city of Houston and the officer was a Harris County deputy. Both depts have a policy that their officers should be armed when possible and have a responsibility to act even off duty.

Ahhhh, there we go. Armed when possible doesn't sound like required to me...

It's not like I'm quoting, or even pretending to do so, so trying to parse the language I used really doesn't work. My understanding is that both departments require officers to be ared but realize that isn't always possible. If something does go down when you are unarmed you better have a better excuse than that you just didn't feel like it or you should expect disciplinary action.

EEllis wrote:

Taypo wrote:

EEllis wrote:

JALLEN wrote:
One question about this remains unresolved. Are police officers in this city required to carry a firearm at all times, or is it personal choice? IIRC, the officer involved objected to HOB that it was a requirement.

So, the deal is that HOB can have its way, insist on its rights and do without police security free lancers, and maybe patronage of the officers like this fellow, or make some concession.

The business is in the city of Houston and the officer was a Harris County deputy. Both depts have a policy that their officers should be armed when possible and have a responsibility to act even off duty.

Ahhhh, there we go. Armed when possible doesn't sound like required to me...

It's not like I'm quoting, or even pretending to do so, so trying to parse the language I used really doesn't work. My understanding is that both departments require officers to be ared but realize that isn't always possible. If something does go down when you are unarmed you better have a better excuse than that you just didn't feel like it or you should expect disciplinary action.

Or that they really, really, really wanted to go to the HOB. By the way, where did you get the information that the would receive disciplinary action?

If officers are required to be armed, and they are exempt from the 3006, etc laws, which I am assuming they are but do not know, when would it not be possible to be armed?

JALLEN wrote:If officers are required to be armed, and they are exempt from the 3006, etc laws, which I am assuming they are but do not know, when would it not be possible to be armed?

Well while than can carry even in a posted church I know one officer that was the only place he wouldn't carry. That would be a place.you wouldn't worry about being disciplined for being unarmed. Other places like the gym, doctor, etc might be examples.

EEllis wrote:

JALLEN wrote:If officers are required to be armed, and they are exempt from the 3006, etc laws, which I am assuming they are but do not know, when would it not be possible to be armed?

Well while than can carry even in a posted church I know one officer that was the only place he wouldn't carry. That would be a place.you wouldn't worry about being disciplined for being unarmed. Other places like the gym, doctor, etc might be examples.

Not that you're quoting directly, right? Just somewhere in that general area they should be good.

EEllis wrote:

JALLEN wrote:If officers are required to be armed, and they are exempt from the 3006, etc laws, which I am assuming they are but do not know, when would it not be possible to be armed?

Well while than can carry even in a posted church I know one officer that was the only place he wouldn't carry. That would be a place.you wouldn't worry about being disciplined for being unarmed. Other places like the gym, doctor, etc might be examples.

I'm not talking about places where he might avoid carrying. I'm asking about legal requirements.

Do you know if Texas state law forbidding carry in specified places applies to LEOs, or are they exempt? If a PD/SO requires its sworn officers to be armed at all times, can they legally do so? What about schools?

There is an apparently valid 30.06 sign at the gym I frequent. Well, "frequent" might be a bit of an overstatement, maybe "go to." Is a LEO obliged to observe that, or not?

JALLEN wrote:

EEllis wrote:

JALLEN wrote:If officers are required to be armed, and they are exempt from the 3006, etc laws, which I am assuming they are but do not know, when would it not be possible to be armed?

Well while than can carry even in a posted church I know one officer that was the only place he wouldn't carry. That would be a place.you wouldn't worry about being disciplined for being unarmed. Other places like the gym, doctor, etc might be examples.

I'm not talking about places where he might avoid carrying. I'm asking about legal requirements.

Do you know if Texas state law forbidding carry in specified places applies to LEOs, or are they exempt? If a PD/SO requires its sworn officers to be armed at all times, can they legally do so? What about schools?

There is an apparently valid 30.06 sign at the gym I frequent. Well, "frequent" might be a bit of an overstatement, maybe "go to." Is a LEO obliged to observe that, or not?

There are zero legal barriers to where a texas peace officer can carry by Texas State Law. Feds have some restrictions and of course places can have secure areas that restrict bringing in firearms but the Penal Code doesn't limit carry by Peace Officers when off duty.

So do we conclude that this off duty SO deputy could lawfully carry in HOB, but for their private policies?

It's not against the law for him to carry in there.

It's against the wishes of the business and i think we've established that PD doesn't give a hoot about property rights.

JALLEN wrote:So do we conclude that this off duty SO deputy could lawfully carry in HOB, but for their private policies?

Yes without a doubt. The Deputy would be trespassing if they asked him to leave for not complying with their house rules but there would not be any violation for him being armed

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That is about the federal carry law for law enforcement not really applicable directly