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Jose_in_Dallas wrote: Thu Nov 04, 2021 5:53 pmPardon my ignorance but does nothing become of him regarding the straw purchase on the AR? I know in the bigger picture, he gets acquitted of some bigger charges but I don't think he's getting off scot-free.

Jose_in_Dallas wrote: Thu Nov 04, 2021 5:53 pmPardon my ignorance but does nothing become of him regarding the straw purchase on the AR? I know in the bigger picture, he gets acquitted of some bigger charges but I don't think he's getting off scot-free.

• is a felon

• has been convicted of any crime punishable by more than a year in prison (whether or not they were ever sentenced to or served a day in prison)

• is under indictment for any crime punishable by more than a year in prison

• is a fugitive

• is an unlawful user of any controlled substance

• has been adjudicated as a mental defective

• has been committed to a mental institution

• is an illegal alien

• has a dishonorable discharge from the military

• has renounced their U.S. citizenship

• is the subject of a restraining order restraining the person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or the child of an intimate partner, or

• who has been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence

RottenApple wrote: Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:45 pm

Jose_in_Dallas wrote: Thu Nov 04, 2021 5:53 pmPardon my ignorance but does nothing become of him regarding the straw purchase on the AR? I know in the bigger picture, he gets acquitted of some bigger charges but I don't think he's getting off scot-free.

Why would there be? KR did **NOT** "straw purchase" a firearm; The person who completed the sale did. But did he really? A straw purchase occurs when one person buys a gun for someone else who is either prohibited by law from possessing a gun or who does not want his or her name associated with the transaction.

So who is a prohibited person?

This group includes anyone who:

• is a felon

• has been convicted of any crime punishable by more than a year in prison (whether or not they were ever sentenced to or served a day in prison)

• is under indictment for any crime punishable by more than a year in prison

• is a fugitive

• is an unlawful user of any controlled substance

• has been adjudicated as a mental defective

• has been committed to a mental institution

• is an illegal alien

• has a dishonorable discharge from the military

• has renounced their U.S. citizenship

• is the subject of a restraining order restraining the person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or the child of an intimate partner, or

• who has been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence

The US military routinely takes 17 year olds and provides them with firearms. So just being 17 years old, at least under federal law, does not seem to make one a prohibited person.

rtschl wrote: Fri Nov 05, 2021 2:35 pm Why is the FBI not filing charges against people they most likely have identified.

https://rumble.com/voqrtz-jack-posobiec ... trial.html

rtschl wrote: Fri Nov 05, 2021 7:56 pm So I just finished watching testimony of his friend that bought the AR. On direct examination he stated he bought the rifle in his name with Kyle's money and would keep it until Kyle was 18. In his testimony it was revealed that he is being charged with two felonies by the Kenosha DA for providing firearm to someone under 18 in possession of a firearm. The DA i n his question didn't state what the exact two charges are. No mention of Federal charges against either of them.

So my question, does this constitute a straw purchase since he is intending to keep it until Kyle turns 18? Reading the FAQ at http://www.dontlie.org/faq.cfm I'm thinking it could because at the time of the purchase Kyle is a prohibited person. But with his intention of not giving it to him until he was not a prohibited person (i.e. 18), does that change it?

The main reason I am asking is I follow several 3 gun shooters on social media including some teens who are now adults, some who I have met at a NRA convention. Could their parents be charged with a straw purchase if their intent is to give them possession once they are no longer a minor?

Flightmare wrote: Fri Nov 05, 2021 8:15 pm

rtschl wrote: Fri Nov 05, 2021 7:56 pm So I just finished watching testimony of his friend that bought the AR. On direct examination he stated he bought the rifle in his name with Kyle's money and would keep it until Kyle was 18. In his testimony it was revealed that he is being charged with two felonies by the Kenosha DA for providing firearm to someone under 18 in possession of a firearm. The DA i n his question didn't state what the exact two charges are. No mention of Federal charges against either of them.

So my question, does this constitute a straw purchase since he is intending to keep it until Kyle turns 18? Reading the FAQ at http://www.dontlie.org/faq.cfm I'm thinking it could because at the time of the purchase Kyle is a prohibited person. But with his intention of not giving it to him until he was not a prohibited person (i.e. 18), does that change it?

The main reason I am asking is I follow several 3 gun shooters on social media including some teens who are now adults, some who I have met at a NRA convention. Could their parents be charged with a straw purchase if their intent is to give them possession once they are no longer a minor?

The difference in your example is whose money is being used. I believe person can gift a firearm to another person and it not be a straw purchase. At least, that's what the "NOTICES, INSTRUCTIONS, AND DEFINITIONS" section of 4473 say for Question 21.a. Actual Transferee/Buyer.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/4473- ... 9/download

03Lightningrocks wrote: Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:53 pm

Flightmare wrote: Fri Nov 05, 2021 8:15 pm

rtschl wrote: Fri Nov 05, 2021 7:56 pm So I just finished watching testimony of his friend that bought the AR. On direct examination he stated he bought the rifle in his name with Kyle's money and would keep it until Kyle was 18. In his testimony it was revealed that he is being charged with two felonies by the Kenosha DA for providing firearm to someone under 18 in possession of a firearm. The DA i n his question didn't state what the exact two charges are. No mention of Federal charges against either of them.

So my question, does this constitute a straw purchase since he is intending to keep it until Kyle turns 18? Reading the FAQ at http://www.dontlie.org/faq.cfm I'm thinking it could because at the time of the purchase Kyle is a prohibited person. But with his intention of not giving it to him until he was not a prohibited person (i.e. 18), does that change it?

The main reason I am asking is I follow several 3 gun shooters on social media including some teens who are now adults, some who I have met at a NRA convention. Could their parents be charged with a straw purchase if their intent is to give them possession once they are no longer a minor?

The difference in your example is whose money is being used. I believe person can gift a firearm to another person and it not be a straw purchase. At least, that's what the "NOTICES, INSTRUCTIONS, AND DEFINITIONS" section of 4473 say for Question 21.a. Actual Transferee/Buyer.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/4473- ... 9/download

Now I am wondering about something. I buy a shotgun for my son in law for christmas. I have no intention of keeping the shotgun for myself. What would this be classified as?

rtschl wrote: Sat Nov 06, 2021 3:58 pm It appears the prosecutor is signaling his witnesses on how to answer on some questions on cross examination.