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03Lightningrocks wrote:Yeah...give it up before we have to resort to water boarding. And by god I will do it too....don't think I am kidding around.

Round Rock TX.

Well, up until about 15 minutes ago that used to be my hurricane evacuation destination from the Freeport area. Looks like I'll be heading to College Station from now on...hopefully it'll be a LONG time before I have to evacuate again though.

My offer is still there for a donation if you do decide to pursue this.

Guys I have considered situations like this for some time and I have a thought for you. This is how situations like this can be resolved without an expensive lawsuit:

A clear case of wrongdoing by the Police Department results in a citizen complaint made both to Internal Affairs and the chief.

If there is no satisfactory response from the PD, it then becomes a public issue brought to the attention of the city council and mayor. All the dirty laundry is brought to the table with the elected officials of the city involved. The local news media is involved. Preferably this happens in an election year. Pressure is brought to bear on the elected officials to make things right. The elected folks cannot (usually) fire or discipline the officers involved, but they can make such incidents points of discussion when the police chief is offered an extension of his/her contract. The council can also terminate the chief.

I would suggest that attitudes such as we have heard described in this discussion cannot exist in a police department without the tacit approval of the command structure. If you have a department that has lost respect for the citizens they serve, the best way to kill the snake, so to speak, is to start at the head. The chief is the most vulnerable person in the department. He can be subjected to political pressure. He can avoid it by doing the right thing.

Now this is in no way dirty fighting. I am a police chaplain and carry a badge. I am thankful that the command structure in our department would never tolerate the kind of comments made by officers in this incident. I would resign immediately if I ever discovered such behaviour - I'm just a little fish. I happen to think LEO's should be held to the same standards of courtesy and respect as anyone else. Anything less is a violation of public trust. I know this kind of stuff makes us really angry. It makes me angry at the black eye it places upon everyone who wears a badge.

If there is no satisfactory response from the PD, it then becomes a public issue brought to the attention of the city council and mayor. All the dirty laundry is brought to the table with the elected officials of the city involved. The local news media is involved.

Pete Camp, THAT is an excellent way to approach the problem! Good idea!

handog wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:Yeah...give it up before we have to resort to water boarding. And by god I will do it too....don't think I am kidding around.

Round Rock TX.

Darn, I've always had good run ins with the RR PD, their chief is supposed to be Pro-CHL. Try contacting him

joe817 wrote:

If there is no satisfactory response from the PD, it then becomes a public issue brought to the attention of the city council and mayor. All the dirty laundry is brought to the table with the elected officials of the city involved. The local news media is involved.

Pete Camp, THAT is an excellent way to approach the problem! Good idea!

Hope the council in Round Rock has citizen friendly rules. My City Council sets a 3 minute timer and there can be no exchange with members and no names in complaints. The last mayor even changed the rules and no topics other than what was on the adgenda could be addressed by citizens. The adgenda was not published. Cute! Thankfully the folks revolted and he dropped that rule. I just wish they had the gumption to throw out the whole bunch and get back to gov't of, for and by the people, but they keep going with the same old crew. I say all this to make a point. The head of the snake is the Mayor. Our PD has been affected by the power manifested by and through the Mayor and Council and many of them have a sense of arrogance when interacting with the citizenry. I complained that our city has become a bunch of scoff laws because of rampant red light violations, tinted windows out the wazoo, blinding aftermarket HID headlights, and no front license plates. It all fell on deaf ears. The Chief doesn't attend the Council Meetings so it goes that this lays at the feet of The Mayor. Try to get with the Mayor and if that goes nowhere try finding a sympathetic member of the media. Just MHO.

handog wrote: The waiting room in the Government building has a one way mirror with a security guard behind it. I noticed it when I went back to photograph the non 30.06 on the doors. My CHG was at 4 O'clock when it was discovered. I was sitting in a fold out chair and the Security guard had plenty of time to stare at my back where the CHG may have been printing. The rat theory has come up here before but I highly doubt it.

I'm curious, if they had seen it while you were there, why they would wait until you left to confront you about it.

handog wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:Yeah...give it up before we have to resort to water boarding. And by god I will do it too....don't think I am kidding around.

Round Rock TX.

Wow...you caved quick. I didn't even get a chance to pick out a board. Turn in your man card immediately and forget about ever working for the CIA.

Round Rock!!! Isn't that city the new bastion of Kalifornia immigrants? That whole area just stinks of liberal socialists. Somehow it makes sense now.

PeteCamp wrote:Guys I have considered situations like this for some time and I have a thought for you. This is how situations like this can be resolved without an expensive lawsuit:

A clear case of wrongdoing by the Police Department results in a citizen complaint made both to Internal Affairs and the chief.

If there is no satisfactory response from the PD, it then becomes a public issue brought to the attention of the city council and mayor. All the dirty laundry is brought to the table with the elected officials of the city involved. The local news media is involved. Preferably this happens in an election year. Pressure is brought to bear on the elected officials to make things right. The elected folks cannot (usually) fire or discipline the officers involved, but they can make such incidents points of discussion when the police chief is offered an extension of his/her contract. The council can also terminate the chief.

I would suggest that attitudes such as we have heard described in this discussion cannot exist in a police department without the tacit approval of the command structure. If you have a department that has lost respect for the citizens they serve, the best way to kill the snake, so to speak, is to start at the head. The chief is the most vulnerable person in the department. He can be subjected to political pressure. He can avoid it by doing the right thing.

Now this is in no way dirty fighting. I am a police chaplain and carry a badge. I am thankful that the command structure in our department would never tolerate the kind of comments made by officers in this incident. I would resign immediately if I ever discovered such behaviour - I'm just a little fish. I happen to think LEO's should be held to the same standards of courtesy and respect as anyone else. Anything less is a violation of public trust. I know this kind of stuff makes us really angry. It makes me angry at the black eye it places upon everyone who wears a badge.

The problem I see you having in Round Rock is that many of the citizens are Kalifornia immigrants. They very well may applaud the officers for violating your rights.

Drewthetexan wrote:

handog wrote: The waiting room in the Government building has a one way mirror with a security guard behind it. I noticed it when I went back to photograph the non 30.06 on the doors. My CHG was at 4 O'clock when it was discovered. I was sitting in a fold out chair and the Security guard had plenty of time to stare at my back where the CHG may have been printing. The rat theory has come up here before but I highly doubt it.

I'm curious, if they had seen it while you were there, why they would wait until you left to confront you about it.

They would want to wait until he was out of the building to minimize the risk of innocent bystanders getting shot. For what ever reason, they severely over reacted. They probably had him pegged as a mass shooter. He is probably lucky he didn't put his hand near the weapon. Barney Fife may have shot him from the other side of that mirror.

03Lightningrocks wrote:

PeteCamp wrote:Guys I have considered situations like this for some time and I have a thought for you. This is how situations like this can be resolved without an expensive lawsuit:

A clear case of wrongdoing by the Police Department results in a citizen complaint made both to Internal Affairs and the chief.

If there is no satisfactory response from the PD, it then becomes a public issue brought to the attention of the city council and mayor. All the dirty laundry is brought to the table with the elected officials of the city involved. The local news media is involved. Preferably this happens in an election year. Pressure is brought to bear on the elected officials to make things right. The elected folks cannot (usually) fire or discipline the officers involved, but they can make such incidents points of discussion when the police chief is offered an extension of his/her contract. The council can also terminate the chief.

I would suggest that attitudes such as we have heard described in this discussion cannot exist in a police department without the tacit approval of the command structure. If you have a department that has lost respect for the citizens they serve, the best way to kill the snake, so to speak, is to start at the head. The chief is the most vulnerable person in the department. He can be subjected to political pressure. He can avoid it by doing the right thing.

Now this is in no way dirty fighting. I am a police chaplain and carry a badge. I am thankful that the command structure in our department would never tolerate the kind of comments made by officers in this incident. I would resign immediately if I ever discovered such behaviour - I'm just a little fish. I happen to think LEO's should be held to the same standards of courtesy and respect as anyone else. Anything less is a violation of public trust. I know this kind of stuff makes us really angry. It makes me angry at the black eye it places upon everyone who wears a badge.

The problem I see you having in Round Rock is that many of the citizens are Kalifornia immigrants. They very well may applaud the officers for violating your rights.

I take exception to that statement. I came from Kali and I offered to donate to the legal defense fund..Don't get me wrong I agree with the sentiment behind the statement but we are not ALL like that...

s197winstang wrote:I take exception to that statement. I came from Kali and I offered to donate to the legal defense fund..Don't get me wrong I agree with the sentiment behind the statement but we are not ALL like that...

All blanket statements are wrong.

I'm glad you got your card and firearm back handog.

If your other approaches don't work, it might be worth calling some TV stations to see if they're willing to interview you. The Austin area also has many radio call-in shows as well. Even a "letter to editor" at the Austin American Statesman might bring about the much needed awareness. I would think that in a case like this, that shining a public spotlight would probably do more good than a lawsuit. But then again... IANAL.

Good luck, and thanks for not letting it drop.

s197winstang wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:

PeteCamp wrote:Guys I have considered situations like this for some time and I have a thought for you. This is how situations like this can be resolved without an expensive lawsuit:

A clear case of wrongdoing by the Police Department results in a citizen complaint made both to Internal Affairs and the chief.

If there is no satisfactory response from the PD, it then becomes a public issue brought to the attention of the city council and mayor. All the dirty laundry is brought to the table with the elected officials of the city involved. The local news media is involved. Preferably this happens in an election year. Pressure is brought to bear on the elected officials to make things right. The elected folks cannot (usually) fire or discipline the officers involved, but they can make such incidents points of discussion when the police chief is offered an extension of his/her contract. The council can also terminate the chief.

I would suggest that attitudes such as we have heard described in this discussion cannot exist in a police department without the tacit approval of the command structure. If you have a department that has lost respect for the citizens they serve, the best way to kill the snake, so to speak, is to start at the head. The chief is the most vulnerable person in the department. He can be subjected to political pressure. He can avoid it by doing the right thing.

Now this is in no way dirty fighting. I am a police chaplain and carry a badge. I am thankful that the command structure in our department would never tolerate the kind of comments made by officers in this incident. I would resign immediately if I ever discovered such behaviour - I'm just a little fish. I happen to think LEO's should be held to the same standards of courtesy and respect as anyone else. Anything less is a violation of public trust. I know this kind of stuff makes us really angry. It makes me angry at the black eye it places upon everyone who wears a badge.

The problem I see you having in Round Rock is that many of the citizens are Kalifornia immigrants. They very well may applaud the officers for violating your rights.

I take exception to that statement. I came from Kali and I offered to donate to the legal defense fund..Don't get me wrong I agree with the sentiment behind the statement but we are not ALL like that...

True...not all...but most are. If this were not true, Kalifornia wouldn't have such widespread socialism.

hillcountry wrote: All blanket statements are wrong.

Is this blanket statement wrong too?

03Lightningrocks wrote:
True...not all...but most are. If this were not true, Kalifornia wouldn't have such widespread socialism.

Umm, coming from Kali myself, I can state that many are moving OUT of Kali (to Texas) because of the widespread liberalism.