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CoffeeNut wrote:Does the retention training amendment mean I won't be able to OC until after I renew my CHL?
No, that amendment will be added to the bill. But it won't apply to existing chl since we have no renewal class. It will affect new chl taking the class and instructors - which is why the law won't take effect until Jan.Glockster wrote:CoffeeNut wrote:Does the retention training amendment mean I won't be able to OC until after I renew my CHL?
That amendment was tabled so that won't be a requirement.
My bad - I misread and thought the above was asking about Amendments 5 & 6 for the holster so thought I was answering that.TexasCajun wrote:No, that amendment will be added to the bill. But it won't apply to existing chl since we have no renewal class. It will affect new chl taking the class and instructors - which is why the law won't take effect until Jan.Glockster wrote:CoffeeNut wrote:Does the retention training amendment mean I won't be able to OC until after I renew my CHL?
That amendment was tabled so that won't be a requirement.
Not yet. It needs a final vote in the Senate (where it was being debated yesterday), then it needs to be approved in the House, *then* it would go to the Governor for his signature.jayinsat wrote:Forgive my legislative ignorance, did OC pass? Are we just waiting for Gov. Abbott to sign it into law?
HB 910 will have its hearing in the House today.e-bil wrote:I guess the next question is when does the House take this up and Strauss make this die in committee again?
RHenriksen wrote:Not yet. It needs a final vote in the Senate (where it was being debated yesterday), then it needs to be approved in the House, *then* it would go to the Governor for his signature.jayinsat wrote:Forgive my legislative ignorance, did OC pass? Are we just waiting for Gov. Abbott to sign it into law?
It'll have a hearing in a House *committee*, not on the floor of the House for a final vote. Big difference. It *should* pass out of committee, but in order to go from there to the floor, it has to be scheduled via the calendar committee. That's where it could get hung up.gsansing wrote:HB 910 will have its hearing in the House today.e-bil wrote:I guess the next question is when does the House take this up and Strauss make this die in committee again?
The phrase isjuno106 wrote:I am more concerned with Sen Huffman's amendment which purports to synch SB17 with SB11, in the event both are enacted.
I think Sen. West(?) offered an amendment to Sen Huffman's amendment. Something about adding "knowingly" to "intentionally", or vice-versa.
Charlie indicated that this would make it easier to prosecute.
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My inner logician says the wording is redundant as one who 'knowingly' displays a handgun does so intentionally and one who 'intentionally' displays a handgun does so knowingly. However, I realized legislators dance to a different order of logic after I watched the debate on the floorand intentionally or knowingly displays the handgun in plain view of another person
If the terms "intentionally" and "knowingly" were not defined in the Code, then I would agree. However, they are defined. There's a reason SB60 (1995) was drafted such that the culpable mental state required to convict a person of failure to conceal was intentional conduct. It's much easier for the state to prove a person acted "knowingly" because of the difference in the statutory definitions.DocV wrote:The phrase isjuno106 wrote:I am more concerned with Sen Huffman's amendment which purports to synch SB17 with SB11, in the event both are enacted.
I think Sen. West(?) offered an amendment to Sen Huffman's amendment. Something about adding "knowingly" to "intentionally", or vice-versa.
Charlie indicated that this would make it easier to prosecute.
...My inner logician says the wording is redundant as one who 'knowingly' displays a handgun does so intentionally and one who 'intentionally' displays a handgun does so knowingly. However, I realized legislators dance to a different order of logic after I watched the debate on the floorand intentionally or knowingly displays the handgun in plain view of another person
Tex. Penal Code ยง6.03 wrote:Sec. 6.03. DEFINITIONS OF CULPABLE MENTAL STATES. (a) A person acts intentionally, or with intent, with respect to the nature of his conduct or to a result of his conduct when it is his conscious objective or desire to engage in the conduct or cause the result.
(b) A person acts knowingly, or with knowledge, with respect to the nature of his conduct or to circumstances surrounding his conduct when he is aware of the nature of his conduct or that the circumstances exist. A person acts knowingly, or with knowledge, with respect to a result of his conduct when he is aware that his conduct is reasonably certain to cause the result.
Is it me or does that look like TAM's hat on the left?...lolCharles L. Cotton wrote:The Houston Chronicle's online version posted an article about SB17 passing to engrossment. Note the photo they ran with the article.
Chas.
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