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Re: HB 910 (OC) Committee debate - Now

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 11:03 am
by mojo84
joe817 wrote:TAM, is that the mayor of Kermit? :biggrinjester:

Or Odessa? :mrgreen:

Re: HB 910 (OC) Committee debate - Now

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 11:24 am
by Charles L. Cotton
Jason K wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:
There are two independent questions/issues: 1) is the gun concealed; and if not 2) is the gun in a shoulder or belt holster? The answer to the concealed question will be no different after passage of open-carry than it has been since 1995. (See below.) The shoulder holster question is easy to answer, as is the belt holster question. If it is attached to or secured by the belt in any manner, then it's a belt holster. This means OWB belt holster, IWB holsters (regardless of placement, i.e. appendix, 3 o'clock, etc.) and even drop-leg holsters (God forbid!!) that are attached to a belt. Whether a gun is concealed is not determined by the type of holster used.
So....I could actually use an ankle holster as long as there was a dangle-thingy that attached to my belt, right?.... :headscratch
If that's what you think constitutes a "belt holster," then give it a try and find out.

Chas.

Re: HB 910 (OC) Committee debate - Now

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 11:27 am
by SewTexas
TexasCajun wrote:
Jason K wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:
There are two independent questions/issues: 1) is the gun concealed; and if not 2) is the gun in a shoulder or belt holster? The answer to the concealed question will be no different after passage of open-carry than it has been since 1995. (See below.) The shoulder holster question is easy to answer, as is the belt holster question. If it is attached to or secured by the belt in any manner, then it's a belt holster. This means OWB belt holster, IWB holsters (regardless of placement, i.e. appendix, 3 o'clock, etc.) and even drop-leg holsters (God forbid!!) that are attached to a belt. Whether a gun is concealed is not determined by the type of holster used.
So....I could actually use an ankle holster as long as there was a dangle-thingy that attached to my belt, right?.... :headscratch
Why in the world would anyone want to open carry with an ankle holster?
just think of the bling I could use to match my dress :coolgleamA:

Re: HB 910 (OC) Committee debate - Now

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 11:28 am
by Charles L. Cotton
Jason K wrote:
TexasCajun wrote:
Jason K wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:
There are two independent questions/issues: 1) is the gun concealed; and if not 2) is the gun in a shoulder or belt holster? The answer to the concealed question will be no different after passage of open-carry than it has been since 1995. (See below.) The shoulder holster question is easy to answer, as is the belt holster question. If it is attached to or secured by the belt in any manner, then it's a belt holster. This means OWB belt holster, IWB holsters (regardless of placement, i.e. appendix, 3 o'clock, etc.) and even drop-leg holsters (God forbid!!) that are attached to a belt. Whether a gun is concealed is not determined by the type of holster used.
So....I could actually use an ankle holster as long as there was a dangle-thingy that attached to my belt, right?.... :headscratch
Why in the world would anyone want to open carry with an ankle holster?
It's the principle of the thing.....illustrating absurdity through the absurd.
The only absurdity are the ridiculous "examples" that are being thrown out.

Chas.

Re: HB 910 (OC) Committee debate - Now

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 11:29 am
by Charles L. Cotton
joe817 wrote:Anybody besides me think that this thread has turned into a circular discussion, not to dissimilar to a circular firing squad? :cool: :mrgreen:
Yep! It's starting to remind me of the nursery at church with all of the whining going on. (BTW, I'm not making a joke.)

Chas.

Re: HB 910 (OC) Committee debate - Now

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:58 pm
by Jason K
Charles L. Cotton wrote:
Jason K wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:
There are two independent questions/issues: 1) is the gun concealed; and if not 2) is the gun in a shoulder or belt holster? The answer to the concealed question will be no different after passage of open-carry than it has been since 1995. (See below.) The shoulder holster question is easy to answer, as is the belt holster question. If it is attached to or secured by the belt in any manner, then it's a belt holster. This means OWB belt holster, IWB holsters (regardless of placement, i.e. appendix, 3 o'clock, etc.) and even drop-leg holsters (God forbid!!) that are attached to a belt. Whether a gun is concealed is not determined by the type of holster used.
So....I could actually use an ankle holster as long as there was a dangle-thingy that attached to my belt, right?.... :headscratch
If that's what you think constitutes a "belt holster," then give it a try and find out.

Chas.
I'm more concerned with what the Legislature thinks constitutes a "belt holster". With the way things are currently written, it will depend on each LEO that you encounter to make up their own definition....kinda like the "reasonable speed" signs in Montana a few years back.

http://missoulian.com/news/state-and-re ... 56b77.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: HB 910 (OC) Committee debate - Now

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 2:00 pm
by Jason K
Jason K wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:
Jason K wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:
There are two independent questions/issues: 1) is the gun concealed; and if not 2) is the gun in a shoulder or belt holster? The answer to the concealed question will be no different after passage of open-carry than it has been since 1995. (See below.) The shoulder holster question is easy to answer, as is the belt holster question. If it is attached to or secured by the belt in any manner, then it's a belt holster. This means OWB belt holster, IWB holsters (regardless of placement, i.e. appendix, 3 o'clock, etc.) and even drop-leg holsters (God forbid!!) that are attached to a belt. Whether a gun is concealed is not determined by the type of holster used.
So....I could actually use an ankle holster as long as there was a dangle-thingy that attached to my belt, right?.... :headscratch
If that's what you think constitutes a "belt holster," then give it a try and find out.

Chas.
I'm more concerned with what the Legislature thinks constitutes a "belt holster". With the way things are currently written, it will depend on each LEO that you encounter to make up their own definition....kinda like the "reasonable speed" signs in Montana a few years back.

http://missoulian.com/news/state-and-re ... 56b77.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Do you really want every LEO to have their own opinion on what a "reasonable" belt or shoulder holster is?...

Re: HB 910 (OC) Committee debate - Now

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 2:05 pm
by The Wall
Nice ankle belt holster TAM!

Re: HB 910 (OC) Committee debate - Now

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:42 pm
by Charles L. Cotton
Anyone who truly cannot accept the fact that a holster that hangs on a belt and an IWB holster that is secured to the belt would fall within the proposed open-carry statute should stick to concealed-carry so you don't have to fret quite so much. This is beyond absurd! :banghead: It makes me question, once again, why we spent so much political capital pushing for open-carry when so many more important bills are not getting the necessary attention to pass.

I didn't want "holster" mentioned either and I suggested that the language be something like "holster or other device to securely hold the handgun" but it didn't fly. The fact that I didn't get what I wanted hasn't led me to argue that we are going to be overrun by Unicorns as a result. I can't recall another gun-related issue that has prompted such extreme and exaggerated claims by pro-gun people.

I can hear it now. We (NRA and TSRA) get open-carry passed in spite of horrendous damage caused by open-carry zealots, only to be faced with complaints that "I have to put that thing in a holster!!!!" :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Chas.

Re: HB 910 (OC) Committee debate - Now

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:51 pm
by ScooterSissy
But... unicorns are FUN.

Re: HB 910 (OC) Committee debate - Now

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:56 pm
by SawdustBytes
I do not wish to get "off topic", but at the risk of doing so -- What is the current state of HB 910?

Re: HB 910 (OC) Committee debate - Now

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 4:10 pm
by Rrash
Can we just pull the holster talk into oncoming traffic, leave it there, and move on yet?

Re: HB 910 (OC) Committee debate - Now

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 4:25 pm
by joe817
Rrash wrote:Can we just pull the holster talk into oncoming traffic, leave it there, and move on yet?
:iagree: There's a dedicated sub-forum dedicated to holsters in the Day-To-Day section of the forum. I believe ALL discussions related to holsters should be done there; eliminate the baiting questions, and discuss only items relevant to legislative actions being discussed in this section of the forum.

And I am unanimous in my decision. :rules: (even to the point of asking the Mods to lock this thread if these silly debates continue)

Re: HB 910 (OC) Committee debate - Now

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 4:34 pm
by steveincowtown
SawdustBytes wrote:I do not wish to get "off topic", but at the risk of doing so -- What is the current state of HB 910?
:smilelol5:

For those that would like to continue Unicorn/holster discussion...

http://texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=133&t=76734" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: HB 910 (OC) Committee debate - Now

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 4:36 pm
by mr1337
SawdustBytes wrote:I do not wish to get "off topic", but at the risk of doing so -- What is the current state of HB 910?
Wouldn't that technically be getting on topic?

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLook ... Bill=HB910" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It was voted out of committee on 3/26.

Action just posted today says: "Comte report filed with Committee Coordinator"

I have no idea what that means.