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Bullitt wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:Funny thing is, amyone who claims to be from the "mean streets" would know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Trayvon was a thug and had every intention of , at the least, beating this cracka down. And possibly stealing his wallet to finance his drug habit. Fact!!!!

Lol! You must not be from the "mean streets." Beating a "cracka" down and doing drugs aren't even on the list to qualify as a "thug." That's baby stuff!

Nope.. Being a punk is not something one should be proud of. I grew up a military brat. Traveled all over. After my father was killed in Vietnam, we moved to a city not far from you, Pasadena Texas. Where I spent five years having to fight my way home from school at least three days a week. But still, never managed to become a Trayvon.

Like you, I watched all the "gangsta shows". I just never had the desire to fantasize it was my life I was watching. I see no need in getting on the Internet and pretending I am some kind of "tough guy". It is pointless since nobody believes that stuff anyway.

You and I are of a time when a simple fist fight stayed a fist fight. Heck, one of my best friends in school was a guy I had a fist fight with. These days, the thugs make what you and I considered "tough guy" look like choir boys. They don't think twice about the value of human life. Between lack of proper parenting and the lack of a vision for a future, these kids couldn't care less about the next day, much less the next twenty years.

dawgfishboy wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:Oh... the only real mistake GZ made was allowing that thug murderer to get close enough to hit him.

That and maybe staying on the phone with the 911 operator too long. 911/Non-emergency operators are not your friends. Make your call, give them pertinent info and hang up. Call back later if needed.

03Lightningrocks wrote:...I grew up a military brat. Traveled all over... we moved to a city not far from you, Pasadena Texas. Where I spent five years having to fight my way home from school at least three days a week. But still, never managed to become a Trayvon...I watched all the "gangsta shows". I just never had the desire to fantasize it ...I see no need in getting on the Internet and pretending I am some kind of "tough guy". It is pointless since nobody believes that stuff anyway...

There's a lot of posers on the internet. This site could have it's share as well. I will say, however, that Pasadena, TX ain't South Central Los Angeles, not back then, and not now. You must have really been pogie bait to get preyed upon like that 3-days a week, especially in those days when it was probably more benign in Pasadena. Military brat? Nice, but I was actually in the Army. So what's your point in bringing all that up?

Z's inability to exercise good judgment as a CHL holder is the discussion topic as far as I am concerned.

Bill Whittle with another stinging rebuke on this subject.

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ebu6Yvzs4Ls[/youtube]

VoiceofReason wrote:When are people going to stand up and say enough? Is there anyone left that has the courage?

It's not courage or lack thereof; it's fatigue. If I say "enough," I'm a racist. I'm tired of being labeled a racist, by racists, when I know very differently from the way I have lived my entire life—just as George Zimmerman has lived his—that I am NOT a racist. The same people who would call me that are the same people who voted for Obama, and therefore ALL of the absolute CRAP that has followed his election: the Benghazi debacle, the IRS debacle, the NSA debacle (see my references to republicans below too), the DHS morphing into the SS, the complete lack of transparency, accountability, and honesty from the left side of the aisle.......ALL of that. And ALL of that was utterly predictable because Obama's and the left's ideology just naturally produces it. Republicans are guilty too, but if we're going to talk of matters of degree, the republicans are pikers and the democrats are masters of it.

I am TIRED of all that crap. I do not believe that the nation can be salvaged at this point, and I believe that the racist left is a large part of what has pushed us over the edge.

I NO LONGER CARE. To anyone who voted for Obama or for a democrat, I say "it's your world, and welcome to it. Now go stew in the mess you've made of it."

It's not a matter of courage. It's that I no longer wish to be associated in any way, shape, or form, with people who are that base and crapulent..........and they run the country because they outnumber those who are not! Robert Bork had it right in the title of his book "Slouching Towards Gomorrah." I've been saying this about California since long before I moved away from there in 2006, and I continue to say it today, except that I now include the entire rest of the country in my indictment: "You are going to have to hit bottom before you make the decision to pull yourself up out of the mud." We have not hit bottom yet. We're not even close yet. It has to get a whole lot uglier before we hit bottom.

This is not what I want to happen; it is what I believe will happen, because people are simply not going to give up their "stinkin' thinkin'" until that thinking makes them crash and burn. They are quite literally addicted to their hatreds. What I want is for the insane to become sane. What I want is for those in denial to stop denying. To borrow a phrase from 12 step programs, "our best thinking is what got us here.........maybe it is time to stop thinking the way we've been thinking, and learn a different way."

A REAL good reset point would be to begin with what the Constitution actually says (or as pointedly, what it does not say) about the issues we face as a nation. But as long as more than half of the voters believe that the Constitution is an outdated and irrelevant document written by "a bunch of dead white guys," RACISM will continue to raise its ugly head under the false guise of a really crapulent form of "social justice."

I'm not only for letting them have their cake and eating it too, I'm for cramming that cake down their throats until their eyes bulge out, so that they'll never want any more of that particular cake again for the rest of their lives.

THAT is why I don't stand up and say "ENOUGH!" There can never be enough "ENOUGH" for the perpetrators until "enough" becomes "too much" and they have to vomit up all their vileness and confront the evil they have been perpetrating, and begin to feel a sense of shame. Without shame, there is no listening; and without listening, there is absolutely no chance that shouting "enough" will be heard by those that need to hear it.

Without shame, things never get better, they only get worse. I know of no earthly way to restore shame, so prayer is my refuge AND my weapon, and prayer doesn't require me to get all crazy and act up. Shouting "ENOUGH" at this point of our history is like spitting into the wind. It's a wasted effort, and it will just blow back on you.

In the meantime, I continue to prepare logistically for the long-term protection of and provision for my family to weather what is coming.

Do you?

As a sidebar to the question of Zimmerman's judgment as a CHL holder, I agree with what The Annoyed Man has posted above. I have been saying this for decades, and some would even say I have written the same in the blogosphere.

RoyGBiv wrote:Bill Whittle with another stinging rebuke on this subject.

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ebu6Yvzs4Ls[/youtube]

wow.

Wow...go bill whittle! That had to hurt!

philip964 wrote:

wow.

As a CHL holder, I'm not so wowed by the video and the announcer falls into the same trap as the other media idiots. "Zimmerman, a white Hispanic." 'Fraid not. Zimmerman has a mother who is just about 100% Amer-Indian Peruvian, and his father is "white." That makes Zimmerman just like most Latinos, a mestizo. Just because the miscegenation is only one generation back, and the last name is German, that doesn't make him white. Why in this case is Zimmerman afforded "white" status? There are other comments in there that could have a truck driven through them.

Again, I agree with the verdict of NOT GUILTY. TM was probably not what we would consider a model character, no doubt. That's not sufficient to justify Zimmerman's actions. However, as far as the incident of the shooting goes, this will be an endless debate. The events for me are triggered when Zimmerman decides to get out of his car to Pursue & Confront, an irresponsible action for a CHL holder IMO. The kill site is not anywhere near a place where Zimmerman would need to be in order to get a street name or an approximate location, and he doesn't have to obey any dispatcher directives either.

03Lightningrocks wrote:

Bullitt wrote:

RottenApple wrote:So why don't you actually find a law, in any state, where the mere act of following someone (w/o additional elements) is a crime. You made the assertion. Prove it.

You ridiculously found the law for me and even posted it! I know, embarrassing for you, eh?

Maybe we all misunderstood. LITTLE TRAYTRAY was on his way to church. He was looking for someone to take with him. He was going to use his burglary tools to save some poor starving orphans who had been locked out of the small place they all slept every night. I bet TRAYTRAY was actually taking those drugs off the street, he was pictured with on FB, so other teens couldn't be harmed by them. The gold grille he wore in the picture was his retainer so that when he attended seminary school next year his teeth would all be straight. He was probably on his way to return the stolen jewelry his school found in his back pack.

It is ashame. The world has one less thug to worry about as he progresses up the ranks from common thug to cold blooded killer.

I think you're close there, but here's my understanding of the actual events according to MSNBC:

>8th grader Trayvon Martin is walking home with snacks for homeless children wearing his graduation cap and gown.
>Aryan Nation member George Zimmerman is patrolling the neighborhood in his confederate flag draped pickup truck.
>Zimmerman spots Trayvon through the dark, rainy night by the glow of his halo.
>The clansman gives chase, hopping the curb with the pedal to the metal.
>The football star nearly outruns his pursuer, but is trapped by a "Do Not Enter" sign.
>Faced with a choice between certain death or breaking the law, the little hero makes his stand.
>Trayvon attempts to reason with his attacker, but the illiterate racist will have none of it.
>Zimmerman steps out of his gas guzzler and asks, "Any final wishes?"
>Trayvon looks his executioner in the eye and replies, "World peace."
>"WHITE POWER!" Exclaims Zimmerman as he unloads with his fully-automatic assault rifle.
>If not for the Republican party, angel Trayvon might have survived, but the murderer's extended magazine, unfettered by reasonable legislation, feeds hundreds of rounds into the probable future Nobel Peace Prize recipient.
>Zimmerman then bashes his own head into the pavement repeatedly while screaming, "Help me! Help me!"
>When he's finished, Hitler himself steps back into his environment destroying vehicle.
>As Trayvon lays dying, the last thing he sees is the McCain/Palin 2012 bumper sticker disappearing into the night.

Yup, don't think I missed anything.

Bullitt wrote:

philip964 wrote:

wow.

As a CHL holder, I'm not so wowed by the video and the announcer falls into the same trap as the other media idiots. "Zimmerman, a white Hispanic." 'Fraid not. Zimmerman has a mother who is just about 100% Amer-Indian Peruvian, and his father is "white." That makes Zimmerman just like most Latinos, a mestizo. Just because the miscegenation is only one generation back, and the last name is German, that doesn't make him white. Why in this case is Zimmerman afforded "white" status? There are other comments in there that could have a truck driven through them.

Again, I agree with the verdict of NOT GUILTY. TM was probably not what we would consider a model character, no doubt. That's not sufficient to justify Zimmerman's actions. However, as far as the incident of the shooting goes, this will be an endless debate. The events for me are triggered when Zimmerman decides to get out of his car to Pursue & Confront, an irresponsible action for a CHL holder IMO. The kill site is not anywhere near a place where Zimmerman would need to be in order to get a street name or an approximate location, and he doesn't have to obey any dispatcher directives either.

Exactly which action of Zimmerman's were "unjustifited"?
Zimmerman said he did not confront, but that Martin confronted him. You are projecting your "guesses" where there is absolutely no supporting evidence.

ScooterSissy wrote:...Exactly which action of Zimmerman's were "unjustifited"? Zimmerman said...

Oh, did Zimmerman testify? My bad

Bullitt wrote:

ScooterSissy wrote:...Exactly which action of Zimmerman's were "unjustifited"? Zimmerman said...

Oh, did Zimmerman testify? My bad

Actually, he did -- in a manner of speaking. The jury heard his story directly from his mouth through a number of venues. The recreation/walkthrough with the police the next day, and various media interviews. This actually became a advantage for Z since the jury heard his story, several times, and from his lips -- yet he was not subject to cross-examination where the prosecution would inevitably pick apart every time he used a slightly different description, and classify them as a lies.

Bullitt wrote:

ScooterSissy wrote:...Exactly which action of Zimmerman's were "unjustifited"? Zimmerman said...

Oh, did Zimmerman testify? My bad

No, but he made a sworn statement. And his defense told the same story. So, 'Zimmerma said...' is correct.

The Annoyed Man wrote:

VoiceofReason wrote:When are people going to stand up and say enough? Is there anyone left that has the courage?

It's not courage or lack thereof; it's fatigue. If I say "enough," I'm a racist. I'm tired of being labeled a racist, by racists, when I know very differently from the way I have lived my entire life—just as George Zimmerman has lived his—that I am NOT a racist. The same people who would call me that are the same people who voted for Obama, and therefore ALL of the absolute CRAP that has followed his election: the Benghazi debacle, the IRS debacle, the NSA debacle (see my references to republicans below too), the DHS morphing into the SS, the complete lack of transparency, accountability, and honesty from the left side of the aisle.......ALL of that. And ALL of that was utterly predictable because Obama's and the left's ideology just naturally produces it. Republicans are guilty too, but if we're going to talk of matters of degree, the republicans are pikers and the democrats are masters of it.

I am TIRED of all that crap. I do not believe that the nation can be salvaged at this point, and I believe that the racist left is a large part of what has pushed us over the edge.

I NO LONGER CARE. To anyone who voted for Obama or for a democrat, I say "it's your world, and welcome to it. Now go stew in the mess you've made of it."

It's not a matter of courage. It's that I no longer wish to be associated in any way, shape, or form, with people who are that base and crapulent..........and they run the country because they outnumber those who are not! Robert Bork had it right in the title of his book "Slouching Towards Gomorrah." I've been saying this about California since long before I moved away from there in 2006, and I continue to say it today, except that I now include the entire rest of the country in my indictment: "You are going to have to hit bottom before you make the decision to pull yourself up out of the mud." We have not hit bottom yet. We're not even close yet. It has to get a whole lot uglier before we hit bottom.

This is not what I want to happen; it is what I believe will happen, because people are simply not going to give up their "stinkin' thinkin'" until that thinking makes them crash and burn. They are quite literally addicted to their hatreds. What I want is for the insane to become sane. What I want is for those in denial to stop denying. To borrow a phrase from 12 step programs, "our best thinking is what got us here.........maybe it is time to stop thinking the way we've been thinking, and learn a different way."

A REAL good reset point would be to begin with what the Constitution actually says (or as pointedly, what it does not say) about the issues we face as a nation. But as long as more than half of the voters believe that the Constitution is an outdated and irrelevant document written by "a bunch of dead white guys," RACISM will continue to raise its ugly head under the false guise of a really crapulent form of "social justice."

I'm not only for letting them have their cake and eating it too, I'm for cramming that cake down their throats until their eyes bulge out, so that they'll never want any more of that particular cake again for the rest of their lives.

THAT is why I don't stand up and say "ENOUGH!" There can never be enough "ENOUGH" for the perpetrators until "enough" becomes "too much" and they have to vomit up all their vileness and confront the evil they have been perpetrating, and begin to feel a sense of shame. Without shame, there is no listening; and without listening, there is absolutely no chance that shouting "enough" will be heard by those that need to hear it.

Without shame, things never get better, they only get worse. I know of no earthly way to restore shame, so prayer is my refuge AND my weapon, and prayer doesn't require me to get all crazy and act up. Shouting "ENOUGH" at this point of our history is like spitting into the wind. It's a wasted effort, and it will just blow back on you.

In the meantime, I continue to prepare logistically for the long-term protection of and provision for my family to weather what is coming.

Do you?

If I say "enough," I'm a racist. I'm tired of being labeled a racist, by racists, when I know very differently from the way I have lived my entire life—just as George Zimmerman has lived his—that I am NOT a racist.

Well said TAM.

Early on in my last employment, we had one man come into the unit that was very racist and another man in the unit that used him to make others look bad to make himself look good (hope you can understand that).

The racist jerk homed in on a Black lady and two Hispanic guys to harass. He was constantly running to the supervisor criticizing these three and there was strong suspicion he sabotaged their work to make them look bad. The supervisor we had at the time took no action for his own reasons.

What these two employees were doing was wrong. They even tried to get me in there little game but I wouldn’t play. I finally had enough and stood up with the three that were being harassed and I came under harassment. We took legal action that caused upper level management to label us “trouble makers”. I knew when I took the position I did that I was killing my career.

The jerk was finally removed from the work unit, the supervisor transferred, and I never was promoted after that, even when I was the best qualified. I can live with that.

My point is, I could not stand by and let racism prevail even when I knew there would be consequences.

I guess I am not very smart because I will do it again if given the opportunity to fight this type of racism. I guess it's just the way I am.