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Re: Three professors sue UT to keep guns out of their classrooms
Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 3:55 pm
by jmorris
Ruark wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:52 pm
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It's notable how widespread the perception is that the "campus carry" concept refers to carrying in institutional
buildings, not "on campus." Of course, it's difficult to imagine why somebody would go on a campus without entering any of the buildings, but still, the misunderstanding is everywhere. Licensed carriers have been carrying "on campus" for
years.
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I'm no doubt misreading this but you seem to me to be saying that campus carry does not allow carry in the buildings.
Re: Three professors sue UT to keep guns out of their classrooms
Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:11 pm
by KC5AV
Ruark wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:52 pm
Another component of the discussion that is seldom acknowledged is that to have an LTC you have to be at least 21 years old, which precludes at least 65% of the undergraduates, and probably a much higher percentage of freshmen and sophomores. So they're off the list. About 10% of the students are from other states; it's unlikely that they're concealed carrying under a reciprocity provision. Another 10% are from other countries; same with them.
This. I had a conversation about campus carry with a professor who is part of my running group. She was obviously against campus carry, and made the argument that you don't want 19 year old guys who might fight in the dorms in close proximity to guns...then she clarified that she knew that 19 year olds wouldn't be the ones with guns. Such academic honesty astounds me.
Re: Three professors sue UT to keep guns out of their classrooms
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:20 am
by WildRose
jmorris wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 3:55 pm
Ruark wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:52 pm
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It's notable how widespread the perception is that the "campus carry" concept refers to carrying in institutional
buildings, not "on campus." Of course, it's difficult to imagine why somebody would go on a campus without entering any of the buildings, but still, the misunderstanding is everywhere. Licensed carriers have been carrying "on campus" for
years.
......
I'm no doubt misreading this but you seem to me to be saying that campus carry does not allow carry in the buildings.
I think you missed his point.
but still,
the misunderstanding is everywhere. Licensed carriers have been carrying "on campus" for years.
The change to the law allowing carry in the buildings is relatively recent and where the primary points of contention are.
Re: Three professors sue UT to keep guns out of their classrooms
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 5:55 pm
by jmorris
WildRose wrote: Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:20 am
jmorris wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 3:55 pm
Ruark wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:52 pm
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It's notable how widespread the perception is that the "campus carry" concept refers to carrying in institutional
buildings, not "on campus." Of course, it's difficult to imagine why somebody would go on a campus without entering any of the buildings, but still, the misunderstanding is everywhere. Licensed carriers have been carrying "on campus" for
years.
......
I'm no doubt misreading this but you seem to me to be saying that campus carry does not allow carry in the buildings.
I think you missed his point.
but still,
the misunderstanding is everywhere. Licensed carriers have been carrying "on campus" for years.
The change to the law allowing carry in the buildings is relatively recent and where the primary points of contention are.
Technically, no we haven't. The definition of campus is "(1) "Campus" means all land and
buildings owned or leased by an institution of higher education or private or independent institution of higher education." I suppose you could argue that that definition only came in with the new law. On campus grounds would be accurate.