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Jbirds... and... KinnyLee,

Just how does someone.... "induce"..... a double feed, please?

I've heard the turn "limp wristing" used a more that few times. I think I can guess what it means.....but could you explain the term?

Limp-wristing is allowing your wrist to snap up & backwards instead of holding it straight & stiff. I causes your wrist to absorb some of the recoil instead of allowing the pistol to use the full recoil to eject the spent brass & load the next round.

I've seen similar effects caused by not having a firm grip on the pistol with the lower fingers of the shooting hand, especially when shooting one-handed.

Also trying to hold your pistol and a flashlight with a loose grip can also do this, sometimes people put stronger springs in their firearms to help

I am a fan of .40 cal. for extra stopping power with moderate recoil (therefor don't own any 9's or .45s.)

All my 9 autoloaders are .40 cal., although I'm sure the 17 is good.
But I'm setup to reload only .40 brass.

After stressing my credit cards so much, and having chosen unique interesting models of many countries, I feel like my chosen 9 pistols are "enough" for a good while.

But the only 9mm I'm planning on buying in a couple months when importation begins on them, will be the cool Grand Power K100 P1., with a rotating barrel similar(but somewhat different) than my Stoeger 8000 Cougar.

There is no such thing as a jam proof, totally reliable semi automatic pistol. Autojammers are intricate, complicated machines with many moving parts that generally don't get a lot of upkeep, not to mention very inaccurate compared to revolvers. While some punk is spraying and praying me with his Big Box Store Special, in response I'll take one good select shot with a .38 Special revolver over a fully loaded hi-cap semi auto any day of the week.

Mithras61 wrote:

Stupid wrote:Speaking of reliability, avoid any 1911 style gun. Glock, HK, Sig and Beretta all make great firearms. Before I got into them, I thought jamming was of norm with auto-pistols - yeah, i had a Colt 1991A1.

I've been shooting 1911s for most of my life, and the times when I had problems with jamming, failing to eject or failing to go into battery turned out to be me not doing my part right (like not holding the grip firmly enough, limp wristing, etc.). The design is one of the most reliable around (especially with ball ammo), IMHO.

I think your making Stupids point for him though. If one has to rely on ball ammunition and precise grip then it cant be counted as an uber reliable. I don't think there are many folks that would concider ball ammunition a good general purpose defencive round.

I know many folks have found a particular 1911 and ammo combination reliable enough to trust their lives on, I don't think it can be concidered in the same class as a Glock 9, Rugger P series, or CZs as far as reliability goes. In fact I don't think any gun falls in the same class as Glock when it comes to it reputation for reliability. BTW: I don't particularly like like Glocks and don't own one.

My 10th gun is a 6 1/2" barrel .44 magnum "Dirty Harry Special".

I only carry it in cool weather in a cross shoulder holster rig.
But since Texas is usually not "cool" for very long, it sees less use the my full size, compact and subcompact semi-autos....but yes, it is awesomely accurate!

And I for one take very frequent good care, cleaning and lubing of all my guns. It's my fun pass-time in between trips to the range.

Liberty,
I don't own any 1911s. And except for an HK, I have the others that you mentioned.

Plus a standard size Baby Eagle, a Steyr M40-A1, a Sprinfield XD, a CZ75B, S&W M&P compact, among others(All.40 cal.).

How about those?

What is the most jam-proof, most reliable

A bat, tire iron

What is the most jam-proof, most reliable Semi-Auto Pistols

Colt 1911, Glock, XD, Ruger take care of it..it will go bang

Liberty wrote:

Mithras61 wrote:

Stupid wrote:Speaking of reliability, avoid any 1911 style gun. Glock, HK, Sig and Beretta all make great firearms. Before I got into them, I thought jamming was of norm with auto-pistols - yeah, i had a Colt 1991A1.

I've been shooting 1911s for most of my life, and the times when I had problems with jamming, failing to eject or failing to go into battery turned out to be me not doing my part right (like not holding the grip firmly enough, limp wristing, etc.). The design is one of the most reliable around (especially with ball ammo), IMHO.

I think your making Stupids point for him though. If one has to rely on ball ammunition and precise grip then it cant be counted as an uber reliable. I don't think there are many folks that would concider ball ammunition a good general purpose defencive round.

I know many folks have found a particular 1911 and ammo combination reliable enough to trust their lives on, I don't think it can be concidered in the same class as a Glock 9, Rugger P series, or CZs as far as reliability goes. In fact I don't think any gun falls in the same class as Glock when it comes to it reputation for reliability. BTW: I don't particularly like like Glocks and don't own one.

Actually, I'm not making his point. The pistol was not the problem, my handling of it was. That didn't and doesn't make the pistol unreliable. The thing is, if I use those same techniques that cause problems in my 1911 in any other pistol, similar problems ensue. Saying I have to do my part by not limp-wristing it, and using my whole hand to shoot is not the same as saying a precise grip is required.

I will admit revolvers don't have that issue, and I also noted that they had a higher reliability.

As to the number of people who consider ball ammo a good defensive round, I would point out that it is the round selected by the US military prior to the Geneva convention restrictions on ammo, and that poking a .45" diameter hole in someone's torso or head is likely to put them in a hospital or morgue.

I choose hollowpoint because it has less tendency to overpenetrate as much as for reliability or stopping ability. I've tried most of the major brands and some more unusual ones of hollow points and some various other styles as well in my 1911 and never had a problem with any of them that was mechanical or ammo specific in nature, so in MY 1911, I would happily carry any commercial ammo (hollow point, ball, wadcutter or whatever) with confidence. I consider that pistol to be 100% reliable. I'll admit I've only put about 4000 rounds through it so far, but the only issues I've had had to do with my mishandling of it, not the mechanics of pistol & ammo (e.g. - no rounds jamming on the feed ramp, no failure to extract/eject because of mechanical or ammunition, no issues with brass splitting or head separation, etc.).

Personally, I would rather push a Ford than drive a Chevy.

I'm sorry, off-topic.

I agree with Mithras61. +1 with what he said.

Long live 1911's. I would rather clear a stovepipe from a 1911 than buy a Glock.

Anygun but a Glock

They are UGLY.

Not even GLOCKs are infallable.

Just took Fighting Pistol and Advanced Fighting Pistol by Tactical Response. A G21 and G17 both choked several times during class.

My G19 did not have a problem. And I didn't clean it after the first day (4 day class)

There was a Kimber that just kept on gagging on the rounds.

The .40 P226 had problems, and the 9mm Walther had one or two problems.

And G23 converted to 9mm had multiple problems.

A Beretta 92FS ran just fine.

I'm just trying to get to this point: there is no one "ultimate pistol." I thought the G17 was the epitome of handgun reliability, but was proven wrong.

All pistols fail, but GLOCKs just do it less than others.

18 students, mostly GLOCKs, most had no problems.

daddySEAL wrote:Jbirds... and... KinnyLee,

Just how does someone.... "induce"..... a double feed, please?

I've heard the turn "limp wristing" used a more that few times. I think I can guess what it means.....but could you explain the term?

Here's how you induce a double feed:

remove mag;
lock the slide open;
drop a round into the chamber;
reinstert the mag;
ease the slide forward.

Voila! Double feed malfuction. I got pretty good at clearing those during FP/AFP.

I own a 1991A1...I have approx 4K rounds thru it an NOT a hickup...Its my carry pistol.

If you have problems with a firearm..return it or send to manufacturer to fix it..ALL firearms need to be broken in, and if they continue to give trouble return them...PERIOD!

There is no perfect pistol...period...you get lemons in every firearm format

Truthfully the trick is to be come proficient enough that if you had to you could pick up a pistol on the ground...then fight your way to a rifle

daddySEAL wrote:Liberty,
I don't own any 1911s. And except for an HK have the others you mentioned.

Plus a standard size Baby Eagle, a Steyr M40-A1, a Sprinfield XD, a CZ75B, S&W M&P compact, among others.

How about those?

I'm no expert on reliability, but my jaded opinion is that those are all pretty reliable guns.
I think the CZ has been around long enough and owned by enough people, to be concidered pretty reliable, but it does seem to have a reputation of sometimes having problems ejecting certain ammo. I wouldn't classify it in the class as the Glocks as far as reliability. But others more knowledgable than I might. I only know what others have told me