Turn in a "failure to conceal?"

Kerbouchard · Post by **Kerbouchard** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:22 am

+1 on the holster. I am going to look at a Wilson Combat in a quality holster a little different than a Hi-Point tucked into a waistband. In the case of the Wilson, I'm might tell them they are printing, or just a simple "Nice Wilson". In the case of the hi-point without holster, I'm going to be much more wary and will probably not open up a conversation.

In either case, I seriously doubt if I would report anything, unless there was an actual crime in progress. There is only one law on guns that I recognize, the 2nd Amendment. All others are bureaucratic nonsense, and I am not going to help them enforce it.

HerbM · Post by **HerbM** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:24 am

What will the threat look like?

Saw this one on cable news today:

Female bandits in Florida dressing in "costumes" to rob women and the elderly.

Some wearing hospital scrubs.

Would you be suspicious normally of a woman in hospital scrubs?

Maybe...maybe not.

bryang · Post by **bryang** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:35 am

We can never know what the threat will look like, but we should be in a condition of situational awareness at all times and watching their hands. Each situation we encounter will be different and require different action by us. I also came from the era of "mind you own business" and I think this is a good thing and of course if things turn bad we will be prepared.

Be careful, stay alert!

Venus Pax · Post by **Venus Pax** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 3:11 pm

A person's behavior goes a long way in telling what their intentions are.

I'm not going to report anything unless I believe the person poses some type of threat. (Drunk, high, arrogant & threatening.)

03Lightningrocks · Post by **03Lightningrocks** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:32 am

I wouldn't say a word to them or anyone else about it. Since when did getting a CHL, license anyone to be a busy body. The topic of whether or not they are a bad guy...LOL...well...the same as always...you don't know them so you don't know if they are good or bad...just like before you got your CHL. Seriously, do you call the cops when you see folks violating traffic laws too?

yerasimos · Post by **yerasimos** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:02 pm

+1 to KBCraig, anygun, etc.

This is Texas . . . not the Soviet Union, East Germany or PRC.

tarkus · Post by **tarkus** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:24 pm

03Lightningrocks wrote:Seriously, do you call the cops when you see folks violating traffic laws too?

It's only a violation if they intentionally fail to conceal, so reporting them is more like reporting someone if the light turns yellow while they're driving through the intersection.

03Lightningrocks · Post by **03Lightningrocks** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:47 pm

tarkus wrote:
03Lightningrocks wrote:Seriously, do you call the cops when you see folks violating traffic laws too?
It's only a violation if they intentionally fail to conceal, so reporting them is more like reporting someone if the light turns yellow while they're driving through the intersection.

True. I believe I will start looking around to make sure no fellow CHL holders are watching before I run the next yellow light...

. They may tattle tale on me.

KBCraig · Post by **KBCraig** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:24 pm

03Lightningrocks wrote:
tarkus wrote:It's only a violation if they intentionally fail to conceal, so reporting them is more like reporting someone if the light turns yellow while they're driving through the intersection.
True. I believe I will start looking around to make sure no fellow CHL holders are watching before I run the next yellow light... . They may tattle tale on me.

Pssst... it's only "failure to yield" if you enter the intersection after the light turns red. If it turns red while you're passing through, you're cool.

03Lightningrocks · Post by **03Lightningrocks** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:32 pm

KBCraig wrote:
03Lightningrocks wrote:
tarkus wrote:It's only a violation if they intentionally fail to conceal, so reporting them is more like reporting someone if the light turns yellow while they're driving through the intersection.
True. I believe I will start looking around to make sure no fellow CHL holders are watching before I run the next yellow light... . They may tattle tale on me.
Pssst... it's only "failure to yield" if you enter the intersection after the light turns red. If it turns red while you're passing through, you're cool.

Not in Plano. Especially if you get snagged by one of the red light cams they have around here.

Is this getting off topic? I guess not...we are still talking about snitching each other out...

.

bdickens · Post by **bdickens** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:58 am

You'll have a much happier life if you gain some perspective and stop worrying about what everyone else is doing and take care of your own business first. Jaywalking is technically a crime, but how many cops stop people and give them a ticket for it? They are usually more concerned with people committing real crimes.

tornado · Post by **tornado** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:05 pm

bdickens wrote:Jaywalking is technically a crime, but how many cops stop people and give them a ticket for it?

Don't try it in Austin.

Austin American Statesman wrote:Austin Municipal Court officials said that so far this year, 1,083 tickets have been filed for pedestrians crossing midblock, a dramatic increase from the 464 tickets that were issued for pedestrians crossing midblock in 2007 and the 283 given for the same violation in 2006.

http://www.statesman.com/news/content/n ... ywalk.html

They are usually more concerned with people committing real crimes.

Yeah, like arson! Oh, wait.

Sangiovese · Post by **Sangiovese** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:39 pm

agbullet2k1 wrote:...snip...If you actually do make someone, it would seem to me that they weren't trying too hard, and as such weren't really aware of CHL rules....snip...

I don't particularly agree with this. I "made" a guy at a restaurant one night because I saw the j-hook tabs that secure his tuckable IWB holster. The only thing showing was 2 little plastic nubs about 1/8" long on the bottom of his belt. Was he being careless? Not one bit. I just knew what I was looking at. I was actually pretty amazed because as much as I looked, I could not see ANY printing at all through his neatly tucked in dress shirt, even after I was positive that he was packin' and knew exactly where to look.

As for the general question. I'm not sure what we would be "turning someone in" for. As has been mentioned, Texas law only prohibits intentionally failing to conceal. It doesn't say anything about "not trying hard enough" to conceal.

I've only been in the position to have to decide whether I should say something to someone once. A guy was coming out of the restroom in a stop and rob and his hawaiian (true story!) shirt was hung up on the butt of his pistola, exposing his second amendment rights to everyone :) I caught his eye and said, "Yer shirt is hung up on something." He got a quick deer in the headlights look... reached back and straightened it out, and said, "Thanks man." We both went about our business. (I will admit that I was watching very closely when he reached toward it to straighten his shirt... but that was out of a normal sense of caution, not because I felt particularly threatened.)

neal6325 · Post by **neal6325** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 7:36 pm

I would apprecitate a friendly notification if it were me. It will likely happen to most of us at some point if it hasn't yet (at least some sort of printing).

I find it amusing to watch people in the grocery store, mall or other large gatherings and try to determine who is carrying. I have gotten pretty good at it and if I think someone is carrying I will keep an eye on them and inevitably they will bend down stretch for something or move the right way and they will confirm my suspicions by either printing or slightly exposing the holster. In cases like that it is not even worth a second thought. If they have their shirt caught or are in a manner that an "average person" would notice I will provide a friendly comment and have NEVER had anyone act in a way that was not appreciated.

The golden rule....Do unto others.........

Pinkycatcher · Post by **Pinkycatcher** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 12:46 am

neal6325 wrote:I would apprecitate a friendly notification if it were me. It will likely happen to most of us at some point if it hasn't yet (at least some sort of printing).

I find it amusing to watch people in the grocery store, mall or other large gatherings and try to determine who is carrying. I have gotten pretty good at it and if I think someone is carrying I will keep an eye on them and inevitably they will bend down stretch for something or move the right way and they will confirm my suspicions by either printing or slightly exposing the holster. In cases like that it is not even worth a second thought. If they have their shirt caught or are in a manner that an "average person" would notice I will provide a friendly comment and have NEVER had anyone act in a way that was not appreciated.

The golden rule....Do unto others.........

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