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Rub N Smoke wrote:2 Things:
#1 Shiela Jackson Lee is a complete IDIOT!!
#2 Long live JOE HORN!!! :thewave
#3 Congress doesn't take Shiela seriously and neither should we.
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Liberty wrote:#3 Congress doesn't take Shiela seriously and neither should we.
You're right. Her nickname in Washington is "The Mouth;" long on opinions, short on knowledge.

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Charles L. Cotton wrote:Her nickname in Washington is "The Mouth;" long on opinions, short on knowledge.
Stepping in where angels fear to tread, I am now going to really stick my neck out, fully recognizing the likely flaming consequences, but I am experienced at the latter and relatively fireproof.

I cannot disagree with your characterization of Sheila Jackson-Lee's nickname, Chas., one that is well-earned, nor that she is long on opinions. Indeed, I might add that she does not have the greatest record of getting things done in Congress, though hardly the worst. On the other hand, when you label her as short on knowledge, I am compelled to disagree. The fact that one has different views than ours on issues dear to our hearts does not necessarily make them short on knowledge, in this great country of ours.

Mrs. Jackson-Lee is an honors graduate in political science from Yale University and she earned her law degree from the University of Virginia three years later. One hardly manages those two distinctions by being short on knowledge. Before being elected to the Congress she gained extensive experience on both the national and the local Houston scene. She is now serving her seventh term, reelected by her constitutents every two years. And, after all, is she not expected to represent the views of her constituents, even if we disagree with them?

In the House of Representatives effectiveness usually comes along with seniority, and Mrs. Jackson-Lee is becoming quite senior. She has seats on very important congressional committees, and if we sell her short we may someday pay a price for it.

BTW, I hope my reservation at your presentation on August 1 is still OK.

With respect,

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57Coastie wrote: Mrs. Jackson-Lee is an honors graduate in political science from Yale University and she earned her law degree from the University of Virginia three years later....
With respect,

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It's worth noting that credentials conferred do not always equate to credentials earned. Especially in the case of someone who is quick to play the race and gender cards to bully the system into giving her what she wants regardless of merit.
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57Coastie wrote: Mrs. Jackson-Lee is an honors graduate in political science from Yale University and she earned her law degree from the University of Virginia three years later. One hardly manages those two distinctions by being short on knowledge.
I guess they don't have to know the difference between the moon and Mars in order to get a poli-sci and law degree, eh?

You would think that with a Political Science degree and a law degree, she would be aware that a US Representative is not indeed a "queen", right?

Anyway... maybe it's not that she lacks knowledge. Maybe it's common sense that's in short supply? Or maybe it's just the cumulative reputation, and adding to it, the foolish "Sheila-isms" that make her look dumb in the press.

Unfortunately her public foolish statements hardly stand out among US Senators and representatives. Likewise repeatedly winning heavily-gerrymandered districts is not a reliable indicator of competence.
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mr.72 wrote:...repeatedly winning heavily-gerrymandered districts is not a reliable indicator of competence.
I was confident this would come up in response, so I intentionally lay back to wait for it.

I see nothing to be gained by furthering the off-theme debate this quote could so easily and tragically start, along with the earlier comment about Mrs. Jackson-Lee "playing the race and gender cards," but I must put two rhetorical questions to those more competent than I am to do research on the 'Net:

1. What is the genesis of the "heavily-gerrymandered" 18th District?
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2. What do the latest census figures show about the ethnic background of residents of the 18th Distlrict?

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57Coastie wrote:
mr.72 wrote:...repeatedly winning heavily-gerrymandered districts is not a reliable indicator of competence.
I was confident this would come up in response, so I intentionally lay back to wait for it.

I see nothing to be gained by furthering the off-theme debate this quote could so easily and tragically start, along with the earlier comment about Mrs. Jackson-Lee "playing the race and gender cards," but I must put two rhetorical questions to those more competent than I am to do research on the 'Net:

1. What is the genesis of the "heavily-gerrymandered" 18th District?
and,
2. What do the latest census figures show about the ethnic background of residents of the 18th Distlrict?

Jim
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2. Supporters of Mrs.Jackson-Lee
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57Coastie wrote: but I must put two rhetorical questions to those more competent than I am to do research on the 'Net:

1. What is the genesis of the "heavily-gerrymandered" 18th District?
and,
Given your prelude that these are rhetorical questions, one must presume you know the answer and consider it to be common knowledge. However I think many on this forum may not know the answer.

The 18th district was created (along with two other racially-gerrymandered districts) in 1990 when Texas was given three additional congressional districts and used computer modeling to set them up. The whole purpose of this redistricting was to focus minority-heavy population areas into their own district, presumably so they do not influence the voting pool of adjacent, not-so-minority-heavy districts.

However clever, backhanded, unconstitutional, whatever was the origin of this district, it still remains that it is a heavily-gerrymandered district.
2. What do the latest census figures show about the ethnic background of residents of the 18th Distlrict?
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Again a "rhetorical" question, in this case one to which I don't know the answer.
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57Coastie wrote:2. What do the latest census figures show about the ethnic background of residents of the 18th Distlrict?

Jim
Per 2006 results:

Hispanic or Latino: 35%
White or Caucasian: 33.67%
Black or African American: 31.33%

But then again, Jim, you knew that. ;-)
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Skiprr wrote:
57Coastie wrote:2. What do the latest census figures show about the ethnic background of residents of the 18th Distlrict?

Jim
Per 2006 results:

Hispanic or Latino: 35%
White or Caucasian: 33.67%
Black or African American: 31.33%

But then again, Jim, you knew that. ;-)
Righto, Skipper. It will be apparent to you, I am sure, that I was hoping to cut off at the pass comments attributing Mrs. Jackson-Lee's electoral success to the ethnic makeup of her district, and you know as well as I do that there are a few of those out there -- who are at least thinking it, if not saying it. I do not mean to accuse any individual here.

To answer another question -- nonrhetorical -- in the 2004 election Mrs. Jackson-Lee received 136,018 votes of the total of 152,988 total cast, or 88.9%. I regret that this was the latest data I could find, but I am confident that later data, which is probably out there somewhere, will not drastically disturb the point I am trying to make.

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In that case, you left out a statistic:

Hispanic or Latino: 35%
White or Caucasian: 33.67%
Black or African American: 31.33%
Morons: 90%
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I think it's very clear that Sheila Jackson Lee's reelection history is a direct result of the people in her district. There are clear and obvious trends along ethnic lines towards the election of liberal or left-wing candidates nationwide. So it should be obvious, and not some kind of attack or accusation, that in a nearly 70% black and Hispanic district, the liberal candidate, particularly a black woman, is very likely to win.

However it should be noted that these ethnic minorities in the 18th district are not voting in the other districts. This is the likely intent of the gerrymandering to begin with, to remove high-Democrat-probability voters from districts where Republicans are not a lock. So while if these voters were evenly distributed across two or three other districts, they may swing the vote in one or two of them towards Democrats, since they are concentrated in one district then it is only one district which will routinely go to a Democrat.

This is not racism, it's just statistic-based politics. There's nobody saying that minorities vote for Sheila Jackson Lee for any reason other than the fact that she is a left-wing Democrat, and those voters overwhelmingly (statistically speaking) vote that way.
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Mike1951 wrote:In that case, you left out a statistic:

Hispanic or Latino: 35%
White or Caucasian: 33.67%
Black or African American: 31.33%
Morons: 90%

thats just the ones we know about
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mr.72 wrote:I think it's very clear that Sheila Jackson Lee's reelection history is a direct result of the people in her district. There are clear and obvious trends along ethnic lines towards the election of liberal or left-wing candidates nationwide. So it should be obvious, and not some kind of attack or accusation, that in a nearly 70% black and Hispanic district, the liberal candidate, particularly a black woman, is very likely to win.

However it should be noted that these ethnic minorities in the 18th district are not voting in the other districts. This is the likely intent of the gerrymandering to begin with, to remove high-Democrat-probability voters from districts where Republicans are not a lock. So while if these voters were evenly distributed across two or three other districts, they may swing the vote in one or two of them towards Democrats, since they are concentrated in one district then it is only one district which will routinely go to a Democrat.

This is not racism, it's just statistic-based politics. There's nobody saying that minorities vote for Sheila Jackson Lee for any reason other than the fact that she is a left-wing Democrat, and those voters overwhelmingly (statistically speaking) vote that way.
Your observations are at the same time reasonable, rational and credible, Mr.72, contrasting sharply with a couple of others we see here.

I would suggest that a close look at the numbers shown above supports your thesis beyond any reasonable doubt. The numbers show the ethnic composition of District 18 to be very close to 1/3 each for Hispanic/Latino, Black/African American and White/Caucasian. If we make an extreme and obviously unlikely assumption, just for demonstrative purposes, that 100% of the first two groups who went to the polls in 2004 voted for Mrs. Jackson-Lee, that would account for 2/3 of the total of 152,988 votes cast in 2004, or 101,992. That demonstrative assumption would then reflect that the number of Mrs. Jackson-Lee's total of 136,018 votes which were cast by the White/Caucasian ethnic group was 136,018 less 101,992, or 34,026. The obvious invalid extremism of my assumption makes it apparent that substantially more than 34,000 members of that ethnic group actually voted for Mrs. Jackson-Lee. Indeed, 34,000 would be the bare minimum number of White/Caucasian voters voting for Mrs. Jackson-Lee.

These numbers certainly argue that Mrs. Jackson-Lee's success at the polls is based on a more general political viewpoint, for whatever reasons, than they are on racial mark-step.

With respect,

Jim
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