Page 3 of 8
Re: whats a good field
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 5:45 pm
by WildBill
deleted
Re: whats a good field
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 5:53 pm
by lunchbox
WildBill wrote:How do you think those mechanics got 15+ years of experience? They started off by changing oil and doing the simple stuff. The secret to their success is that they stuck it out. They didn't think they knew more than the boss, but realized that they could learn from other people with more experience. They showed up for work every day, even when they didn't feel like it, and worked hard. Your resume and diploma may be able to get you in the door, but showing up to work every day, not complaining and whining and giving them an honest day's work will keep you employed and moving up into more challenging jobs.
things are much different now in the industry now than when those guys started
I have talked to people from less exp than me all the way to 35 years in the industry still turning wrenches.
there were some guys I worked with a wile back still changing oil after almost 3 years in one job and with the same education
thats not the way it was
Re: whats a good field
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 5:54 pm
by WildBill
deleted
Re: whats a good field
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 5:57 pm
by WildBill
deleted
Re: whats a good field
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 5:59 pm
by lunchbox
WildBill wrote:lunchbox wrote:WildBill wrote:How do you think those mechanics got 15+ years of experience? They started off by changing oil and doing the simple stuff. The secret to their success is that they stuck it out. They didn't think they knew more than the boss, but realized that they could learn from other people with more experience. They showed up for work every day, even when they didn't feel like it, and worked hard. Your resume and diploma may be able to get you in the door, but showing up to work every day, not complaining and whining and giving them an honest day's work will keep you employed and moving up into more challenging jobs.
things are much different now in the industry now than when those guys started
I have talked to people from less exp than me all the way to 35 years in the industry still turning wrenches.
there were some guys I worked with a wile back still changing oil after almost 3 years in one job and with the same education
thats not the way it was
You are talking to the wrong people. Talk to people who are successful, not the ones who want to bring you down to their level.
what im saying is the powers that be dont want let me or others like me do other types of work more in depth because we dont have exp and we cant get any its a catch 22 really its a vicious cycle thats why im done with the industry
Re: whats a good field
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:05 pm
by WildBill
I am through with this thread.
The people on this forum have spent their valuable time trying to offer you helpful advice. They are trying to be kind, but it is obvious that you do not understand or are ignoring what they are telling you. If you really think that "the powers that be" are conspiring against you, then you have issues which can't be resolved in this forum. Have a good day.
Re: whats a good field
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:09 pm
by Daltex1
So Are you a mechanic? Why not print you up some fliers(I can help you with that part I am in the Printing Industry, for free) Go out and hustle door to door walking putting out fliers for a shadetree mechanic, You can charge less than what most shops charge and With your knowledge of cars you should be able to work that area. Not to mention you can lose some weight buy hustling those fliers door to door. I f you think this is a good idea I am willing to help you, I know my way around a car pretty good and I have a decent set of tools and a garage. Of course I would want a cut also. If you are willing to bust your butt and this sounds like an idea you would be interested in Shoot me a PM. Just trying to help.
Re: whats a good field
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:11 pm
by tarkus
lunchbox wrote:what im saying is the powers that be dont want let me or others like me do other types of work more in depth because we dont have exp and we cant get any its a catch 22 really its a vicious cycle thats why im done with the industry
Open up your own shop. If you're as good as you seem to think, you will quickly have more customers than you can handle. Being self employed eliminates a lot of barriers to success. It also eliminates a lot of excuses for failure.
Re: whats a good field
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:13 pm
by Daltex1
Re: whats a good field
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:33 pm
by Kerbouchard
tarkus wrote:lunchbox wrote:what im saying is the powers that be dont want let me or others like me do other types of work more in depth because we dont have exp and we cant get any its a catch 22 really its a vicious cycle thats why im done with the industry
Open up your own shop. If you're as good as you seem to think, you will quickly have more customers than you can handle. Being self employed eliminates a lot of barriers to success. It also eliminates a lot of excuses for failure.
Yeah, except for that whole licensing, certification, and insurance thing. This is a horrible economic climate for a 22 year old self-proclaimed mechanic to try to open his own shop.
No offense to lunchbox, but it sounds like he is part of the new entitlement generation, where he believes society owes him a good living. Society does not owe any of us anything. lunchbox, you've got a tough road ahead of you. Whatever you do, you need to find some discipline from somewhere, and you need to stick with a job long enough to get some history.
I'm sure that every problem was the employers fault instead of yours, but sometimes you just have to do the employer a favor and stick by him so that you don't have 10 different jobs over a 2 year period.
There used to be a time when I knew everything, too.
Good luck, and with that, I believe I will bow out of this thread, also.
Re: whats a good field
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:46 pm
by lunchbox
Kerbouchard wrote:tarkus wrote:lunchbox wrote:what im saying is the powers that be dont want let me or others like me do other types of work more in depth because we dont have exp and we cant get any its a catch 22 really its a vicious cycle thats why im done with the industry
Open up your own shop. If you're as good as you seem to think, you will quickly have more customers than you can handle. Being self employed eliminates a lot of barriers to success. It also eliminates a lot of excuses for failure.
Yeah, except for that whole licensing, certification, and insurance thing. This is a horrible economic climate for a 22 year old self-proclaimed mechanic to try to open his own shop.
No offense to lunchbox, but it sounds like he is part of the new entitlement generation, where he believes society owes him a good living. Society does not owe any of us anything. lunchbox, you've got a tough road ahead of you. Whatever you do, you need to find some discipline from somewhere, and you need to stick with a job long enough to get some history.
I'm sure that every problem was the employers fault instead of yours, but sometimes you just have to do the employer a favor and stick by him so that you don't have 10 different jobs over a 2 year period.
There used to be a time when I knew everything, too.
there have been jobs i would still have but were take from me completely outside my control
keep in mind i have moved 3 times between aprl 07 and feb 08
Good luck, and with that, I believe I will bow out of this thread, also.
Re: whats a good field
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:46 pm
by pbwalker
Kerbouchard wrote:Yeah, except for that whole licensing, certification, and insurance thing. This is a horrible economic climate for a 22 year old self-proclaimed mechanic to try to open his own shop.
No offense to lunchbox, but it sounds like he is part of the new entitlement generation, where he believes society owes him a good living. Society does not owe any of us anything. lunchbox, you've got a tough road ahead of you. Whatever you do, you need to find some discipline from somewhere, and you need to stick with a job long enough to get some history.
I'm sure that every problem was the employers fault instead of yours, but sometimes you just have to do the employer a favor and stick by him so that you don't have 10 different jobs over a 2 year period.
There used to be a time when I knew everything, too.
Good luck, and with that, I believe I will bow out of this thread, also.
Re: whats a good field
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:49 pm
by lunchbox
tarkus wrote:lunchbox wrote:what im saying is the powers that be dont want let me or others like me do other types of work more in depth because we dont have exp and we cant get any its a catch 22 really its a vicious cycle thats why im done with the industry
Open up your own shop. If you're as good as you seem to think, you will quickly have more customers than you can handle. Being self employed eliminates a lot of barriers to success. It also eliminates a lot of excuses for failure.
there is no way for me to get the financial backing to make that happen not even close
Re: whats a good field
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:02 pm
by KBCraig
lunchbox wrote:its funny how there is such a huge demand for mechanics however i cant get a service manager to give me the time of day dimply because i dont have 15plus years of EXP and i cant get much EXP when im stuck changing oil
this is why i have written off the industry
I don't know how you come across in person, but if it's anything similar to how you come across online, then I can tell you this: they won't talk to you because you make it clear that you're
too good to change oil. Meanwhile, they're looking for someone who is
hungry to change oil, sweep floors, take out trash, answer phones, talk to customers, check for cigarette butts outside the door... you know, actually
work and act like they're trustworthy to move into another position.
You're 22 years old, living with your parents, and doing little to change your situation. While somebody else is out there getting that 15 years of experience, in 15 years you're still going to be crying about nobody giving you a chance.
Re: whats a good field
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:29 pm
by Lumberjack98
particle wrote:Go to the book store, and buy a couple books from two authors: Dan Miller, and Dave Ramsey.
Dan Miller:
48 Days to the Work You Love
http://www.48days.com/
Dave Ramsey:
The Total Money Makeover
http://www.daveramsey.com/
These guys are excellent authors, and will help you to have a plan for your life, and your money
........
No offense to an earlier poster that said to look for a job you can see yourself doing for the next 50 years, but I prefer to find something I truly enjoy - something that makes me excited to get out of bed every days. "Use your skills, abilities, and passions" - you may not have many skills, but everyone has abilities and passions - you just have to find out what makes you tick - what makes you excited to get out of bed every day.
When people are truly happy with their work, they are usually more successful at what they do. The love of their work tends to carry over into what they are doing, and people notice that - be it your employer, or your customers.
I've read this whole thread, but I'll come back to this post.
This is excellent advice.
You can also download Dave Ramsey on podcast as well. I've been through Financial Peach University as a student and a coodinator. Dave has a way of giving you great advice in a no nonsense manner that makes sense. He also doesn't let you get by with anything either.
In all honesty, I really think that you need to pick something / anything and stick with it for a while. Whether its a job, church, hobby, etc. Dive into it with your whole self. Make a 6 month commitment with yourself to honestly put forth the best effort that you can. This is one of the hardest thing for someone to do with their lives. At the end of that time, assess what you've learned and how you want to apply it.
You have received some excellent advice on this thread if you'll drop your defensiveness and hear what folks are saying.
I didn't go to college until I was 21. It then took me 5 years to get a 4 year degree. It then took me 7 times to pass the CPA exam. This basically made me a CPA about 8 years later than a lot of my peers.
You know what got me through it? Knowing that I was competing with me and my abilities. Not my coworkers. Anytime my thoughts fell to that, I felt defeated. Attitude is everything. My attitude has gotten me every job when my resume should not have gotten me in the door. I have surpased most of my peers that had better grades, went to a better college and completed the CPA exam on the first try
Persistence, perseverence and a plan will get you where you want to go. It's how you act in between that determines what kind of person you are.
edit for wording (3 times now....darnit)