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For those interested, Obama has removed everything we've been discussing from his change.gov web site.


EDITED... changed change.org to change.gov Sorry about the confusion.

Russell wrote:I agree. It's not. But with how high the costs are, if we didn't have it we would have a whole lot less citizens with a higher education.

The percentage of citizens with higher educations hasn't changed in at least 250 years.

What has changed, is the percentage of citizens with pieces of paper that say they have a higher education.

Today's MA = 1980's BA, = 1960's HS diploma, = 1940's 8th grade diploma.

The total education package doesn't scale well, but in terms of literacy, numeracy and overall awareness of the world, I know some graduate and post-grad diplomates who lack the education of an 1890's third-grader.

John wrote:For those interested, Obama has removed everything we've been discussing from his change.org web site.

I saw that that as well this morning...This is most disturbing, yet I am not surprised...

Remember this folks...This is their modus operandi...(did I speel that correktly??? )

What fraps me the most is others who laugh at how concerned we are about this issue...

stevie_d_64 wrote:

John wrote:For those interested, Obama has removed everything we've been discussing from his change.org web site.

I saw that that as well this morning...This is most disturbing, yet I am not surprised...

Remember this folks...This is their modus operandi...(did I speel that correktly??? )

What fraps me the most is others who laugh at how concerned we are about this issue...

You can still get to the pages at Google Cach, but i do not know how to do screen images and such to save them, anyone looking for a project?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz= ... afe=images" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm sure they'll take all of the negative comments from the internet and sanitize the pages put a modified version back up. "no no, that is not what we were really saying..."

Russell wrote:I agree. It's not. But with how high the costs are, if we didn't have it we would have a whole lot less citizens with a higher education.

It would self-correct without intervention if the federal assistance were taken away, just like housing. The free market works in education just as well as in every other venture if allowed to exist without interference.

Look at the bright side. There would be lots of unemployed highly educated morons looking for work. Maybe some of them would actually start to think.

Anygunanywhere

John wrote:

stevie_d_64 wrote:

John wrote:For those interested, Obama has removed everything we've been discussing from his change.org web site.

I saw that that as well this morning...This is most disturbing, yet I am not surprised...

Remember this folks...This is their modus operandi...(did I speel that correktly??? )

What fraps me the most is others who laugh at how concerned we are about this issue...

You can still get to the pages at Google Cach, but i do not know how to do screen images and such to save them, anyone looking for a project?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz= ... afe=images" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm sure they'll take all of the negative comments from the internet and sanitize the pages put a modified version back up. "no no, that is not what we were really saying..."

Sad. Now the gun ownership issues are being discussed in the "Criminal Justice" section of that site. Funny thing is that most of the discussion comments are in opposition to the article ("Do Guns Reduce Crime"). Even funnier is the Frenchman's comments about gun ownership in France and his hopes for America. Duh. Lest we for get the France's national motto..."Nicht Schiessen!"

bridge wrote: Sad. Now the gun ownership issues are being discussed in the "Criminal Justice" section of that site. Funny thing is that most of the discussion comments are in opposition to the article ("Do Guns Reduce Crime"). Even funnier is the Frenchman's comments about gun ownership in France and his hopes for America. Duh. Lest we for get the France's national motto..."Nicht Schiessen!"

bridge... can you give a link to what you are talking about?

John wrote:

bridge wrote: Sad. Now the gun ownership issues are being discussed in the "Criminal Justice" section of that site. Funny thing is that most of the discussion comments are in opposition to the article ("Do Guns Reduce Crime"). Even funnier is the Frenchman's comments about gun ownership in France and his hopes for America. Duh. Lest we for get the France's national motto..."Nicht Schiessen!"

bridge... can you give a link to what you are talking about?

You got it:

http://criminaljustice.change.org/blog/ ... duce_crime" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

bridge wrote:

John wrote:

bridge wrote: Sad. Now the gun ownership issues are being discussed in the "Criminal Justice" section of that site. Funny thing is that most of the discussion comments are in opposition to the article ("Do Guns Reduce Crime"). Even funnier is the Frenchman's comments about gun ownership in France and his hopes for America. Duh. Lest we for get the France's national motto..."Nicht Schiessen!"

bridge... can you give a link to what you are talking about?

You got it:

http://criminaljustice.change.org/blog/ ... duce_crime" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thanks... that is not the site of discussion... Obama's site is change.gov

I'm not sure what the change.org site is, but will look at it. Thanks, -John

John wrote:For those interested, Obama has removed everything we've been discussing from his change.org web site.

Oops, I was going off this post...

bridge wrote:

John wrote:For those interested, Obama has removed everything we've been discussing from his change.org web site.

Oops, I was going off this post...

Oh, sorry, i'll edit and fix that... It should have read change.gov.

Another interesting thing to note: (from the website)

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That is actually a little limited compared to other popular sites' use of cookies. Most others will data mine your cookie cache and attempt to customize content and advertising. If it is a site that you are a member of that has your email address they have little compunction selling your info with your personal info to others. BHO needs to leave the guns alone and address electronic privacy.

Interesting that he's got a ".gov" domain for a website that is not a government website (yet).