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Keith B wrote: Also, an Oklahoma couple skinned a puppy to make a belt buckle

I guess that means my Genuine Puppyleather holster concept is a no-go?

Seriously though, I am against cruelty to animals.

However, I have nothing against people eating cats/dogs/ratburgers ('carne de rata' according to Demolition Man) so long as the animals were killed humanely, and that they were not someone's pet that was stolen to do it.

Even had Horse when I was stationed in Belgium. Was pretty darn good!

Just sayin.....

gregthehand wrote:Just sayin.....

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if its ok for George to do it...its good enough for me

Wait, how is shooting a dog animal cruelty? It's not like the puppy was alive when she skinned it. I realize that shooting it in a park is a bad idea, but what am I missing?

I'm under the impression that I can kill my dog if I want to. I know the animal shelter suggested that I shoot my dog's puppies if I didn't want them.

Fangs wrote:Wait, how is shooting a dog animal cruelty? It's not like the puppy was alive when she skinned it. I realize that shooting it in a park is a bad idea, but what am I missing?

I'm under the impression that I can kill my dog if I want to. I know the animal shelter suggested that I shoot my dog's puppies if I didn't want them.

It's legal if you do it.

It's legal for someone to do it with your permission. Like if you and your neighbor are drunk and he offers you $20 to shoot one of the unwanted puppies and you give permission.

But if some wild dog is running loose and you shoot it and it turns out the dog wasn't wild, you can be prosecuted.

IANAL but that's how I read the animal cruelty law.

aardwolf wrote:[Killing an animal is] legal if you do it.

It's legal for someone to do it with your permission.

You are correct. In Texas it is legal to humanely kill an animal that you own, either for euthanasia or slaughter, or for someone else to kill it with your permission.

However, in some states, it is now illegal for anyone except a veterinarian to kill certain species, usually cats, dogs, and horses. I don't know off the top of my head which states.

This really stinks for people who live way out in the boondocks, probably resulting in a lot of shoot, shovel, and shut up.

- Jim

PBratton wrote:I thought all animals in Texas were considered livestock, wouldn't that be rustlin'?

I think we're back to the 'Get a rope' dioscussion.

Along the same line, we have a large lake in the front of our community which has severl ducks and geese. Not too long ago we had reports of a couple capturing one or two for some reason ...

If its on my property I always thought of it as pet, livestock, or vermin,.

You're free to think of it that way, but the law doesn't.

I've heard of people being prosecuted for leaving out a bowl of antifreeze to kill cats or dogs that were making pests of themselves.

- Jim

seamusTX wrote:You're free to think of it that way, but the law doesn't.

I've heard of people being prosecuted for leaving out a bowl of antifreeze to kill cats or dogs that were making pests of themselves.

- Jim

See, that's completely different though.
That's NOT Humane... That's a slow, painful, torturous death, that, more then likely, if the animal is a pet, that the owners and/or the owners kids will have to watch happen.

My friend is a vet tech, and told me a story about a young couple that came in once.
Apparently, somehow their cat accidentally got into some antifreeze that was left out/spilled/whatever. Completely accidental/negligent on their part. They didn't notice a problem with the animal until a day or so later.

They brought it into the vet, the vet did some tests, and confirmed that that was the problem. They had to tell the couple that the cat they got, as their first animal together as a couple, was going to die in 24-48 hours, and they could do nothing about it but watch. The vet recommended euthanizing the animal to prevent the pain and suffering it would endure, which they did, after saying goodbye for an hour or so.

If that doesn't tug at your heartstrings, I don't know what will.

I think people that do this to an animal intentionally should be waterboarded.
Even if to wild or strays. No animal deserves to be tortured to death like that will do.

So yes, it's completely different then a round between the eyes.

There's an ethical difference between leaving out antifreeze and shooting, but no legal difference in Texas. It is generally a felony to kill an animal that belongs to someone else; and the ownership issue is vague. There are several defenses and exceptions in the law.

All this is set out in Penal Code 42.092.

- Jim

I find it odd that often folks will casually voice how they "hate" cats. They regard this public claim as perfectly reasonable and acceptable.

If one were to say the same regarding dogs they'd be outraged and start in on how wonderful dogs are.

These same folks never consider how others think positive and loving thoughts about cats.

P.S. I've never heard anyone who loves cats blurt out how they "hate" dogs.

Cats are associated with femininity, and men who like them as often suspected of being less-than-true-men. Hating cats, and declaring it, are supposed to be signs of true masculinity. This is a societal "thing" that has been around a long time and may never change.

People don't seem to care that cats are miniature cousins of the greatest Hunters that ever walked the Earth. There is a saying: "G-d created the cat, that man might caress the tiger". And I, for one, do not see anything un-masculine about liking women - or cats. Men who are hostile to cats are often hostile to women, and that may be macho but it isn't masculine.

Carrying a pistol for self-protection demands quite a bit of self-restraint. One must not respond forcefully to road-raging drivers, insolent wisecracks about one's race, ethnicity, or religion, or any other insult. One does not draw except in response to a deadly threat. So ignoring hostile comments about cats, as well as disparaging remarks about "girly-men" who like cats, is excellent practice for keeping one's temper.

YMMV and if I get banned from the Forum for this post, it will be a good lesson.

Regards,
Andrew