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stevie_d_64 wrote:

C-dub wrote:The company can do it because, in most cases, the employees have given them permission. Most of the time the company will have us read and sign a letter stating that we are aware of their policy and we give them permission to search our vehicles. This is usually a condition of employment.

Meaning you'll get fired for refusing when they do...

Yet...Oh well...If you hide it well enough, they can't find "it", whatever that is...

A little secret, if you want to really throw a wench in the monkey on all of this...

Get you a safe that can be bolted down or secured in a way that locks "it" up, and "it" can only be accessed by combination or a separate key, from your "normal" keyring...

"What??? Oh that, yeah...I don't have the key for that "in hand"...I can come back tomorrow and have the key to open it then."

Bottom line is that I would reside myself to getting fired...Makes it easier...

Or don't say a word to anyone at your place of employment about guns or Second Amendment issues...

Just my opinion...

Exactly what I would do. I no longer work for an employer that is afraid of guns so I do not have to worry. I used to keep mine locked up in a box and would ahve told them that I did not have teh key on me so I could not open it. I do not think they would knwo what to do.

I wonder if you could get away with "Oh that? No, you can't search that because it's not "the car". It's a safe *in* "the car", and as a result of the search of the car, you found a locked safe. The employee manual does not state that you can search my safe.

jsimmons wrote:I wonder if you could get away with "Oh that? No, you can't search that because it's not "the car". It's a safe *in* "the car", and as a result of the search of the car, you found a locked safe. The employee manual does not state that you can search my safe.

But you will still get fired. This is Texas, after all. Besides that, those who think they own you will not be willing to parse the rules that finely.

My employer prohibits firearms on the premises, and they define "premises" as anywhere on the grounds, including the parking lot.

I guess they're concerned about folks being sick of the way they're being run into the ground and going out to the car to get some back up... if you catch my meaning.

ronzorelli wrote:My employer prohibits firearms on the premises, and they define "premises" as anywhere on the grounds, including the parking lot.

I guess they're concerned about folks being sick of the way they're being run into the ground and going out to the car to get some back up... if you catch my meaning.

Okay - hypothetical situations:

0) A disgruntled employee shows up at work, and he's really irritated at his boss. He's so irritated that he brought a gun to work with him, fully intended on shooting his boss and anyone else that gets in the way (or other people that he thinks wronged him in the past). Exactly how concerned about company policy do you think this guy is if he's thinking this way? Disallowing guns in cars in the parking lot will not solve this problem, and he'll still manage to kill at least one person.

1) An employee is otherwise legally allowed to carry a gun in his car, but wants to follow company policy, so he parks somewhere other than the company lot. Let's say he "just snaps", and decides to kill a bunch of folks at work. If he parked off premises just to practice his 2nd Amendment rights, how likely do you think it would be that he wouldn't be willing to walk that extra distance to retrieve his handgun and wreak havoc in the office?

2) The same "just snaps" employee decides to take an early lunch to go home and get his guns, and come back to work. Upon his return to work, we're in item 0 (above) territory.

Those are the arguments I would use against corporate. There is absolutely no logic banning guns in the parking lot at work. At the very least, they should allow CHL holders to have guns in their cars because as a rule, CHL holders are the most law-abiding employees they will ever have.

my thoughts exactly. The reasoning is not logical and has no way to prevent this from happening.

No one ever "just snaps." It simply does not happen; that is a fantasy invented to cover for the inattention to the previous warning signs given off for a long time prior to the incident. Any time someone "just snaps," there has been a history of behavior patterns in thet person that follow a consistent progression leading up to the incident.

I didn't say I agreed with the policy... just speculating on the thought process behind it.

I'd prefer to have it on me, so I could put an end to the threat if it ever got to that with someone else's mindset...

Get you a safe that can be bolted down or secured in a way that locks "it" up, and "it" can only be accessed by combination or a separate key, from your "normal" keyring...

"What??? Oh that, yeah...I don't have the key for that "in hand"...I can come back tomorrow and have the key to open it then."

I wonder if you could say something like it's my wife's- she keeps jewelery in it when we travel. And say she has the keys at home.

flechero wrote:I wonder if you could say something like it's my wife's- she keeps jewelery in it when we travel. And say she has the keys at home.

Of course you can. You can say anything you want. But who knows what the company will do? Texas is still an "at will" state. You can quit for any reason (like a policy prohibiting guns) and they can let you go for almost any reason (except race, religion, etc.)

I, for one, would love to see my boss search my car...that's probably the day I quit for them being a little to intrusive...right??