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MadMonkey wrote:I quit stopping at Fry's and I haven't stopped at the Wal Mart (or similar) door alarms for years. I just keep walking.

One day I'm going to take off running as soon as it goes off, then let them catch me

go for it. Also next time you see a Police Car just take off, it'll be good exercise, and you will have a story to TELL.

marksiwel wrote:

MadMonkey wrote:I quit stopping at Fry's and I haven't stopped at the Wal Mart (or similar) door alarms for years. I just keep walking.

One day I'm going to take off running as soon as it goes off, then let them catch me

go for it. Also next time you see a Police Car just take off, it'll be good exercise, and you will have a story to TELL.

LOL...and please get video for all of us on the forum!

of course as long as you give the officer the legal information I dont think there's any reason you cant ask him questions

"So what brings your out here?"
"How YOU doing?"
"What kind of gun is that?"
"So, how's the wife and kids?"
"lets race"

Nah thats just stupid. When I get puled over, its "Yes Sir, No Sir, thank you Officer drive safe"
I've even got complimented for being so polite by a Cop.

marksiwel wrote:

MadMonkey wrote:I quit stopping at Fry's and I haven't stopped at the Wal Mart (or similar) door alarms for years. I just keep walking.

One day I'm going to take off running as soon as it goes off, then let them catch me

go for it. Also next time you see a Police Car just take off, it'll be good exercise, and you will have a story to TELL.

My friend and I used to do that all the time as kids, out prowling around town after curfew.
We'd see a cop and run across the street in front of him and duck into an alley and keep hauling, just to see if he'd get out and chase us. (We could have just as easily stayed out of sight until he passed, but we were bored.) Usually they didn't. A couple times they did, but they had no chance of catching us.


One challenge was that we had to be careful not to be recognized. It was a very small town. If the cop saw who you were, he'd be waiting at your house talking to your parents when you came home.

marksiwel wrote:Also next time you see a Police Car just take off, it'll be good exercise, and you will have a story to TELL.

Store employees aren't exactly law enforcement... big difference there

Wow!!! I didnt check the forum all day. A lot of responses. I do have a good reason for not responding, I was at quail creek shooting my hi-point. Man, I love this cc gun!!! Actually, the range master, Chris gave me a lot of pointers on conceal carry (And even let me practice a few clips from a conceal position.

Anyway, just to make it clear (and I thought I did), the officer was professional and did his job. I am not "mad" at him for writing me a ticket. I obviously broke the law. My question concerned why he was asking me questions that had NOTHING to do with a ticket (i.e. do you work, where, home phone number). If there is no reason for me to give these answers, I value my privacy, and would respectfully decline to answer. Now, if declining gets me a ride (as in I am breaking some law by not complying), then I would answer and then I would like to get the "law" changed.

To put it another way, if I no have no legal reason to answer a particular question, I am not going to answer it. Also, I am a big boy, I dont need the police to call me as a debt collector to pay a fine. I would think that would be a poor use of their time, but thats just me.

As far as Frys, I dont view it as something that the can do and to me, it isnt a "cost of doing business with them". They are asking me to show them my receipt on the way out, it is not a requirement to the best of my knowledge. I refuse to do that because I dont see any other way out of it than them believing that I am a thief in their eyes. Every reasoning behind someone doing it tells me that Frys assumes I am stealing from them by looking through my receipt. I simply refuse to allow them to treat me like a thief. Now, if they say, you must do it OR you can no longer shop here, then I will make a decision as to whether or not I want to be treated like a thief to continue to shop there.

The only reason I do it at samsclub is because I dont want to listen to my wife whine about me "bucking" the system. She is a sheeple and I do it to keep the peace. If/when I go to sams myself, I politely decline and continue on my way.

So, it is on the ticket (I dont see the info on my ticket). What I am gathering is that I can decline to answer those questions. As usual do it tactfully :-)

dewayneward wrote:As far as Frys, I dont view it as something that the can do and to me, it isnt a "cost of doing business with them". They are asking me to show them my receipt on the way out, it is not a requirement to the best of my knowledge.

The Fry's thing really isn't that big a deal. I shop there about once a week, and get asked for my receipt every time. I just say "no thanks" as I keep walking. I've done this for a few years now but have never been stopped at any location, even when off-duty LEOs stand at the door during the holidays. Fry's does the whole "I need to see your ID" thing with credit cards as well. I usually say "no, I'd rather not" which has only gotten me the "well then I can't take this card" speech once or twice. Telling the clerk that their manager should be able to confirm that ID is not required is usually enough to let them get on with my purchase.

As for giving out work addresses and phone numbers, I've never had any problems with politely declining to give that information. The last thing I want is to have the courts calling me about nonsense...

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It's "independent technology consultant."

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sss wrote: Fry's does the whole "I need to see your ID" thing with credit cards as well. I usually say "no, I'd rather not" which has only gotten me the "well then I can't take this card" speech once or twice. Telling the clerk that their manager should be able to confirm that ID is not required is usually enough to let them get on with my purchase.

As for giving out work addresses and phone numbers, I've never had any problems with politely declining to give that information. The last thing I want is to have the courts calling me about nonsense...

I usually write check ID on the back of my CCs - I dont see any reason not to show ID. Ill never have my CC and not have my license. With the trouble that stolen credit cards have been lately its worth it. Credit cards should have pictures to help reduce the problems.

92f-fan wrote:I usually write check ID on the back of my CCs - I dont see any reason not to show ID.

Per the credit card merchant agreements, a merchant may not make producing identification a condition of accepting the card. In other words, they're welcome to ask but cannot turn you down if you refuse.

http://www.privacyrights.org/ar/Alert-FS15.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I choose not to display mine simply because it's not required.

If there isn't a place on the ticket to write the information, he doesn't get it. He doesn't need to know where I work, or even if I work. I sign the promise to appear, and that's all he needs to get. If you're going to write the ticket, write it, get out of my face and move on to jerk the next chain.

92f-fan wrote:

sss wrote: Fry's does the whole "I need to see your ID" thing with credit cards as well. I usually say "no, I'd rather not" which has only gotten me the "well then I can't take this card" speech once or twice. Telling the clerk that their manager should be able to confirm that ID is not required is usually enough to let them get on with my purchase.

As for giving out work addresses and phone numbers, I've never had any problems with politely declining to give that information. The last thing I want is to have the courts calling me about nonsense...

I usually write check ID on the back of my CCs - I dont see any reason not to show ID. Ill never have my CC and not have my license. With the trouble that stolen credit cards have been lately its worth it. Credit cards should have pictures to help reduce the problems.

I do the same thing. I really don't give a crap what is written in the credit card user whatever.. anything I can do to possibly slow a credit card thief down is good in my opinion. A few years back, when I first started using this trick, only about 20% of the merchants actually asked for ID. I have noticed lately that I am getting asked about 95% of the time. There are some stores that don't even look at the card, you just swipe it and move on. I really think they should not do this but they don't seem to care what I think.

By the way... how did we take this from LEO questions to credit card verification?

OK... I have to tell my story about being asked for ID. Early one Sunday morning, around 7 AM, I was making a donut run for myself and my kids. I was sitting at a light in the left turn lane and noticed a good looking lady cop looking at me. Being single and noticing she had no ring, I turned mac daddy and gave her the ole, wat up babe, head nod. She knodded back and so I am thinking yeah...I still got it. Well my light changes and I make my left, she turns and falls in behind me. I started thinking, cool, she likes me. About a block down she hits the lights and now I am thinking alright...I have never dated a cop before, this could be cool. She get's up to my truck and asked for ID and insurance. My ego was not deflated yet so I am being all friendly and stuff. I say to her, well hello. She says, well hello back. I am still thinking maybe I have met the love of my life when she points at my window and says, "Do you realize your inspection and registration is more than 18 months out of date?". I was pretty bummed that she didn't want my phone number but would have gladly given it to her.

sss wrote:

92f-fan wrote:I usually write check ID on the back of my CCs - I dont see any reason not to show ID.

Per the credit card merchant agreements, a merchant may not make producing identification a condition of accepting the card. In other words, they're welcome to ask but cannot turn you down if you refuse.

http://www.privacyrights.org/ar/Alert-FS15.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I choose not to display mine simply because it's not required.

It actually can get the merchant's ability to process those cards revoked. Look at the merchant violation report page for Mastercard.

http://www.mastercard.com/us/personal/e ... tions.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

EDIT: Also, minimum amounts are violations. If a store has a minimum amount, I usually put the soda back or whatever it may be. There's no reason they should make me buy extra just because they don't like paying the CC company.

ifanyonecan wrote: EDIT: Also, minimum amounts are violations. If a store has a minimum amount, I usually put the soda back or whatever it may be. There's no reason they should make me buy extra just because they don't like paying the CC company.

Credit card companies charge a minimum transaction fee for each purchase you make. This fee has nothing to do with the amount of the purchase. Depending upon the agreement one has struck, some businesses pay higher fees than others, the minimum fee is anywhere from .25 cents all the way up to .50 cents. On top of the minimum fee the credit card company charges another 2.75% to fees as high as 7%... again depending on volume and agreement one has struck. That soda you want to use a credit card to purchase would cost the merchant more than what he paid for it if the merchant takes your credit card. If the merchant charges enough for that soda to make a profit off your purchase, you would be on this thread griping about how much he has marked up his soda. There is no way a merchant can add .25 to each and every can of soda to cover just the possibility someone will want to pay for a soda with a credit card.

Your assertion that you should not have to pay extra for using a credit card is 100% incorrect. We all pay more for using our credit cards...each and every day with each and every purchase. If you ever decide to run your own business you will quickly see just how much it is costing all of us for our credit card addiction. Every business out there builds higher overhead into their pricing for the credit card usage. Some businesses, the ones working on very low margins, like convenience stores and grocery stores are affected by this more than any other business.