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Teamless wrote:

and parking lots (unless permissible under state law)

Well, isn't your CHL therefore permissible under state law?

No, because I live in Texas, and Texas doesn't have a "parking lot" law yet. The "unless permissible under state law" only applies to the "parking lot" bit.

My employer does business in many different states. If you read my entire post, that is clarified in another portion of the document as saying that employees in states with a parking lot law (such as Louisiana, Florida, and Georgia) *CAN* leave a firearm in a locked vehicle in accordance to those specific statutes.

Thanks, and no, i didnt see that in a prior post.

MojoTexas wrote:

GhostTX wrote:I assumed the OP "policy" was defined in an employee manual or other employee communication. Now, it seems, it was verbal. But I would still say that comes from some written policy somewhere within the company.

It was both. It is in the employee handbook, and also I was told verbally by my CHL-holding supervisor.

Here's the wording from the company handbook:

Initech prohibits possession of weapons on all Company property, including workplace buildings, retail stores, and parking lots (unless permissible under state law). Any act or threat of violence must be reported immediately to a Manager, HR and/or Security.

That handbook wording isn't a 30.06 notice, because it is a "written communication" that doesn't have the specific 30.06 wording. The oral notice from your boss is valid under 30.06, because there is no required wording for oral notice; if you're told, orally, "You can't bring a gun to work", that's a valid notice for PC 30.06.

Initech prohibits possession of weapons on all Company property, including workplace buildings, retail stores, and parking lots (unless permissible under state law). Any act or threat of violence must be reported immediately to a Manager, HR and/or Security.

Quick Question:

Does anyone that works there carry:
- A Knife?
- A Screwdriver?
- A Set of Keys?

Because these can all be weapons, so under the above quote, they're all prohibited...

... I went through a few similar discussions with my bosses here...

Pointed out that everyone carries sharp tools and pocket knifes, which are clearly in violation of the 'no weapons' clause, as they can EASILY be used to cause seriously bodily injury or death.
His answer was along the lines of 'well, they're not planning on stabbing anyone, so its not a weapon'... I take that to mean that as long as I'm not planning on shooting anyone, neither is my firearm

Granted, I'm still waiting until I pick up something pocket-carry-able to carry at work, as there is a lot of bending/climbing/jumping/etc around required, and IWB/OWB would eventually be noticed by Someone.

chabouk wrote: That handbook wording isn't a 30.06 notice, because it is a "written communication" that doesn't have the specific 30.06 wording. The oral notice from your boss is valid under 30.06, because there is no required wording for oral notice; if you're told, orally, "You can't bring a gun to work", that's a valid notice for PC 30.06.

You get into the sticky situation of apparent authority. Again, I know you can get into the exact wording of 30.06; however, THEY are the employer and its THEIR rules. The policy is a communication from an authority and from the company stand point, it'd be as good as an oral notice from the top. As I said before, you can fight the semantics in court while you're on unemployment.

GhostTX wrote:you can fight the semantics in court while you're on unemployment.

Or comply with Texas law but don't get caught violating policy.

Or. And this is what I did. You can work for a decent company.

boomerang wrote:

GhostTX wrote:you can fight the semantics in court while you're on unemployment.

Or comply with Texas law but don't get caught violating policy.

Or. And this is what I did. You can work for a decent company.

1) Fine line you're walking there.
2) Post up a list of those companies and I'll find one that fits me. I really don't think the "hey, is this company gun friendly" a good interview question.

GhostTX wrote: I really don't think the "hey, is this company gun friendly" a good interview question.

Yeah, good way NOT to get the job...

I've often considered chucking the rat-race and just opening up a bait shop somewhere. :-)

Sell cold beer, ice and fishing bait, along with ammo and firearms. If you're self-employed you can do what you want.

MojoTexas

I agree, I want to leave this rat race, work independ and not deal with these stupid CYA Policies that employers have. Not just for CCW but a lot of things. If anyone knows of a company that supports that then list away.

Gary

gwashorn wrote:I agree, I want to leave this rat race, work independ and not deal with these stupid CYA Policies that employers have. Not just for CCW but a lot of things. If anyone knows of a company that supports that then list away.

Gary

I did that 15 months ago - best move I ever made. I'm not completely stress free (I have 18 female employees), but it sure beats having a boss.

davidtx wrote:

gwashorn wrote:I agree, I want to leave this rat race, work independ and not deal with these stupid CYA Policies that employers have. Not just for CCW but a lot of things. If anyone knows of a company that supports that then list away.

Gary

I did that 15 months ago - best move I ever made. I'm not completely stress free (I have 18 female employees), but it sure beats having a boss.

I've been wanting to but I don't know what to do in place of what I've been doing now.

SQLGeek wrote:

davidtx wrote:

gwashorn wrote:I agree, I want to leave this rat race, work independ and not deal with these stupid CYA Policies that employers have. Not just for CCW but a lot of things. If anyone knows of a company that supports that then list away.

Gary

I did that 15 months ago - best move I ever made. I'm not completely stress free (I have 18 female employees), but it sure beats having a boss.

I've been wanting to but I don't know what to do in place of what I've been doing now.

As a friend of mine is fond of saying: there are no boring problems - only boring solutions. Its easy to get blinders in the high tech business, but I think the truth is that smart folks can find lots of things to keep them busy and challenged. I was a CTO of a high tech company towards the end of my 35 year career. If you want to chat about my exit process, PM me.

For people like us who are self employed and in the tech industry, there is no guarantee you can carry at work unless all your work is off-site and on your own premises. One of my customers is a federal gov entity so even though "my" company does not mind (and in fact demands) that I carry, I can't because of working on my customers premises. The good news for me is that the parking lot is not theirs, so can be armed while off premises easily.