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Zoti wrote:

elwood blooz wrote:Post office..

I've searched the law as posted on the TXDPS website and cannot find any mentioning of "post office".

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/InternetFo ... CHL-16.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Not covered in Texas laws because it's federal property.
Read a few posts up in this thread.

For more detailed discussions than you could ever want, search this forum for "Post Office."

Zoti wrote:

elwood blooz wrote:Post office..

I've searched the law as posted on the TXDPS website and cannot find any mentioning of "post office".

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/InternetFo ... CHL-16.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The applicable Postal Regulation is found in 39 CFR 232.1.

Here are some relevant excerpts:

(a) Applicability. This section applies to all real property under
the charge and control of the Postal Service, to all tenant agencies,
and to all persons entering in or on such property.
(Note: unlike Texas law regarding schools, etc., this also applies to parking lots and land if properly posted)
This section shall be posted and kept posted at a conspicuous place on all such property.
. . . .
(l) Weapons and explosives. No person while on postal property may
carry firearms, other dangerous or deadly weapons, or explosives, either
openly or concealed, or store the same on postal property, except for
official purposes.
. . .
(p) Penalties and other law. (1) Alleged violations of these rules
and regulations are heard, and the penalties prescribed herein are
imposed, either in a Federal district court or by a Federal magistrate
in accordance with applicable court rules. Questions regarding such
rules should be directed to the regional counsel for the region
involved.
(2) Whoever shall be found guilty of violating the rules and
regulations in this section while on property under the charge and
control of the Postal Service is subject to fine of not more than $50 or
imprisonment of not more than 30 days, or both. Nothing contained in
these rules and regulations shall be construed to abrogate any other
Federal laws or regulations of any State and local laws and regulations
applicable to any area in which the property is situated.

The $50 fine and 30 days is not a very stiff sentence, but it explicitly states that state and local laws still apply. I don't know the law in texas, but in ohio there is a little grenade in the state code that makes carrying where forbidden under federal law an Ohio felony.

This link is to another thread on the TX CHL Forum which I found very informative on this subject.

Beiruty wrote:in the shower, in the hot tub and the public swimming pool.

I'm guessing you don't carry a Glock. These places are not a problem for me. OK, its tough to conceal the Glock 26 in a public swimming pool, but getting it a little wet ain't really an issue.

Either Mr. Cotton is slipping or you weren't paying attention.

The two things that were hammered into our heads during the CHL class I attended:
1. When you can/can not use deadly force
2. Where you can/can not carry

If you didn't come out of the class with a somewhat comfortable feeling about number 2, then I would be deeply concerned about your understanding of number 1. Please consider retaking the class. Screwing up on number 2 can get your hand slapped and may cause you to lose your CHL. Screwing up on number 1 can change the rest of your life.

I know I sound like a jerk but we are talking about knowledge (or the lack thereof) that can mean the difference between life and death.

As I did, you learn more about 1) and 2) from this forum than any CHL class. The experience to attend the CHL class most likely is overwhelming for many. After few hours you would be fighting boredom and trying not sleep and staying focused. The number 3) that one has to learn in CHL is De-escalation.

Beiruty wrote:As I did, you learn more about 1) and 2) from this forum than any CHL class. The experience to attend the CHL class most likely is overwhelming for many. After few hours you would be fighting boredom and trying not sleep and staying focused. The number 3) that one has to learn in CHL is De-escalation.

I would say that depends a lot on whose CHL class you attend. The class I attended was far from boring and laid the foundation for a very positive CC experience. I will attend the same class for my renewal. In fact I may take the class again before then just because I think it is that important. I must say that I did not feel overwhelmed at all, and if I had felt that way, I would not have strapped on a CC weapon until I had overcome that feeling. If you are overwhelmed during a CHL class, I'd hate to see how you would feel/react when faced with a life or death situation.

This forum is a great tool but can be very confusing for a newbie. Very often incorrect or misleading information is posted on this forum. Granted it is quickly corrected but the correction may be missed by someone new to the forum. I was reading a thread this morning where members that I consider very knowledgeable were giving incorrect information to a new member which very likely would have caused him to have abandoned his pursuit of a CHL. Fortunately Mr. Cotton was able to correct the information and the member now has his CHL. If he had taken the original advice he recieved on this forum and not returned to see Mr. Cotton's post then he would not have a CHL today. The OP would be much better served retaking Mr. Cotton's class than he would taking advice from many of the people on this forum.

IMHO, if you can't glean basic information from Mr. Cotton's class, you are not going to glean basic information from this forum.

one of the positive of the long delay between the CHL class, and filing and then getting the plastic, is that you would have enough time to go over was the smal DPS booklet about the firearms laws and what is related to CHL.


One big enhancment rhat I think it could be mandated or even provided by TX DPS is CHL course book. I mean each CHL instrctor is given his version of what CHL class has to be. Why not providing CHL course book?

Katygunnut wrote:

Beiruty wrote:in the shower, in the hot tub and the public swimming pool.

I'm guessing you don't carry a Glock. These places are not a problem for me. OK, its tough to conceal the Glock 26 in a public swimming pool, but getting it a little wet ain't really an issue.

Especially if you spend $10.00 and get Marine/Maritime Spring cups ... though I really am not sure they are needed, except for a snorkler/swimmer/scuba diver's peace of mind, should one want to spend the ten bucks

Don't know if this link has been provided in this thread but here it is.
viewtopic.php?f=36&t=6994

Beiruty wrote:One big enhancment rhat I think it could be mandated or even provided by TX DPS is CHL course book. I mean each CHL instrctor is given his version of what CHL class has to be. Why not providing CHL course book?

Do you mean this book? It covers the laws but teaches nothing about "De-escalation" or "nonviolent dispute resolution" as the CHL law calls it.

Remember, the law is only one of the four subjects instructors are required to teach in the initial class.

Only a qualified handgun instructor may administer a handgun proficiency course.
The handgun proficiency course must include at least 10 hours and not more than 15 hours of instruction on:
(1) the laws that relate to weapons and to the use of deadly force;
(2) handgun use, proficiency, and safety;
(3) nonviolent dispute resolution; and
(4) proper storage practices for handguns

AFAIK, DPS does not give instructors a course outline or lesson plan they must teach.

jmra wrote:Don't know if this link has been provided in this thread but here it is.
viewtopic.php?f=36&t=6994

Yes, in the third post on this thread. And the thread goes on...

Bart,

Yes, other than laws, as you mentioned, plus carry methods, shoot/noshoot etc...

RE: Corps of Engineers property whether it is leased by another entity or not. Now that one is confusing at times...

So my parents live up by Lake Texoma.
My understanding is that the lake and most of the property around it is owned/managed by the Corps of Engineers.

Can I not carry around the lake? In boat?

How do I find out more about this one?

Thanks
ty

AustinBoy wrote:RE: Corps of Engineers property whether it is leased by another entity or not. Now that one is confusing at times...

So my parents live up by Lake Texoma.
My understanding is that the lake and most of the property around it is owned/managed by the Corps of Engineers.

Can I not carry around the lake? In boat?

How do I find out more about this one?

Thanks
ty

Search here for USACE, but ...Well, the easiest way to find out (for any body of water in Texas is TPWD..

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/fishboat/fi ... es/texoma/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Reservoir Controlling Authority
US Army Corps of Engineers
Drawer A
Denison, Texas 75020
(903) 465-4990

So, nope, can't carry there on their land nor in a boat. (Doesn't matter Texas or Oklahoma, you just can't ... the Feds say so)
(Unless a Commander gives you written permission ... and they don't)
Personally, I'd like our TPWD to stop stocking "their" waters with MY money to improve fishing on THEIR lake to bring more tourists income to the USACE.
Put those fish WE paid for and paid to raise in OUR lakes.

(This was a pet peeve of mine, but I resolved to not spend a penny near USACE places. I probably should pull up letters for all the NEW legislators though and modify them to suggest no longer subsidizing the USACE lakes with our money.
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