Re: HB 2756 Open Carry bill reported favorably
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:44 am
So would a valid 30.06 ALSO prohibit open carry under this bill since the open carry people will be CHL holders?
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Thats how I read it, especially as the 30.06 sign specifically states "concealed" on itjimlongley wrote:OC would be OK but not CC?
Not all OC'ers would be CHL'ersHoi Polloi wrote:under this bill since the open carry people will be CHL holders?
I haven't had any coffee yet, but I think you would have to have a CHL to OC. Here's where I'm getting that from:Teamless wrote:Not all OC'ers would be CHL'ersHoi Polloi wrote:under this bill since the open carry people will be CHL holders?
Correct.Hoi Polloi wrote:So would a valid 30.06 ALSO prohibit open carry under this bill since the open carry people will be CHL holders?
Texas does not have a brandishing law and unintentional failure to conceal is not unlawful. Although open-carry supporters have done a pretty good job of making people believe there is a significant threat of being arrested, there are only about 3 or 4 anecdotal reports of it happening.kjolly wrote:Doubt if I would ever open carry but this would eliminate the fear that if my shirt happens to ride up and expose the gun for a second, some citizen can call the police and I be charged with brandishing a weapon costing me my license. OC provides a little more peace of mind for the CHL holder.
Technically you are correct, but only in terms of the title of the license. Operationally, Texas would go from issuing a license to carry a handgun concealed to issuing a license to carry a handgun openly or concealed.Teamless wrote:Not all OC'ers would be CHL'ersHoi Polloi wrote:under this bill since the open carry people will be CHL holders?
Also, if I were both, and I was carrying Concealed, then I would have to follow CHL Laws
If i was OC'ing, then CHL laws would mean nothing
Correct. Herein lies the danger in terms of the willingness of the legislature to require property owners to post two different signs. Two "big ugly signs" would never pass; but leaving 30.06 along and allow open-carriers to be subject to TPC §30.05 is hardly an onerous burden. The generic "no guns" decals are small, cheap, and easily applied.jimlongley wrote:So, if there was 30.06 sign, but not a gun busters sign, OC would be OK but not CC?
This has nothing do with what I have been “fed” but what I have actual “read’ in the bill.jecsd1 wrote:Had HB 2756 been left as originally drafted there would be no concern about 30.06. It was drafted as constitutional carry with no mention of 30.06 but certain "individuals" got their hands on it in League and changed it to licensed OC. Either way, this preoccupation with extra 30.06 signs is as silly as the blood in the streets talk 15 years ago when CHL got started. Think critically and stop believing everything you're fed.steveincowtown wrote:Pardon my ignorance here, but can TSRA or NRA approach a Sentate member so that the companion bill (if it happens) has better language about 30.06 signs?
Charles L. Cotton wrote:Correct.Hoi Polloi wrote:So would a valid 30.06 ALSO prohibit open carry under this bill since the open carry people will be CHL holders?
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Is it me or are these answers contradictory? I'm reading one to say a valid 30.06 sign would prohibit open carry while the second response says it wouldn't prohibit it?Charles L. Cotton wrote:Correct. Herein lies the danger in terms of the willingness of the legislature to require property owners to post two different signs. Two "big ugly signs" would never pass; but leaving 30.06 along and allow open-carriers to be subject to TPC §30.05 is hardly an onerous burden. The generic "no guns" decals are small, cheap, and easily applied.jimlongley wrote:So, if there was 30.06 sign, but not a gun busters sign, OC would be OK but not CC?
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For the first, If the bill passes as it currently is then 30.06 will apply to both. If the 30.06 provision is dropped from the bill and it passes then the second would apply.Hoi Polloi wrote:Charles L. Cotton wrote:Correct.Hoi Polloi wrote:So would a valid 30.06 ALSO prohibit open carry under this bill since the open carry people will be CHL holders?
Chas.Is it me or are these answers contradictory? I'm reading one to say a valid 30.06 sign would prohibit open carry while the second response says it wouldn't prohibit it?Charles L. Cotton wrote:Correct. Herein lies the danger in terms of the willingness of the legislature to require property owners to post two different signs. Two "big ugly signs" would never pass; but leaving 30.06 along and allow open-carriers to be subject to TPC §30.05 is hardly an onerous burden. The generic "no guns" decals are small, cheap, and easily applied.jimlongley wrote:So, if there was 30.06 sign, but not a gun busters sign, OC would be OK but not CC?
Chas.
As it is written now, a 30.06 is required to keep out open carry. If that provision is struck, any gunbuster sign will be sufficient for open carry while a 30.06 will be required for concealed carry. My question is if a 30.06 sign would be one of the many signs that would keep an OC out as well under the updated version. I ask this because the 30.06 sign says it applies to license holders, who will be the only people who OC under the updated version, too.G.A. Heath wrote:For the first, If the bill passes as it currently is then 30.06 will apply to both. If the 30.06 provision is dropped from the bill and it passes then the second would apply.
TSRA MEMBERS have been asking for OC support for years. Their response was that they would not push OC until the members wanted it.steveincowtown wrote:This has nothing do with what I have been “fed” but what I have actual “read’ in the bill.jecsd1 wrote:Had HB 2756 been left as originally drafted there would be no concern about 30.06. It was drafted as constitutional carry with no mention of 30.06 but certain "individuals" got their hands on it in League and changed it to licensed OC. Either way, this preoccupation with extra 30.06 signs is as silly as the blood in the streets talk 15 years ago when CHL got started. Think critically and stop believing everything you're fed.steveincowtown wrote:Pardon my ignorance here, but can TSRA or NRA approach a Sentate member so that the companion bill (if it happens) has better language about 30.06 signs?
I am for OC, and beyond that I am for Constituional Carry. I wish someone with the minds (and lawyers) that the TSRA and the NRA would have worked out a bill before Rep. Lavender's bill came about. It surely would have been better written with fewer chances for confusion.