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megs wrote:

Heartland Patriot wrote:

megs wrote:In simple terms, the legislature is voting for more violent crime and against self defense.

Well, by and large, I think its fairly easy to see which political party is FOR self-defense and which political party is AGAINST self-defense.

A Democratic majority in the legislature and a Democratic Lt. Governor passed the original campus carry bill.

We're seeing right now what a 65% majority Republican legislature is willing to pass.

I was gone from Texas for many years serving in the USAF and have only been back for about a year now. I am not as educated as I could be on some state historical matters. However, I do know that a lot of the old-time Democrat Party members are not in office anymore, and a very large portion of those who are now have a different mindset than those from the past. When I think of Democrat Party, names that come to mind for me are folks like Barbara Boxer, Barney Frank, Charles Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters, Carolyn McCarthy, Dick Durbin...and while none of those folks are from Texas, they are some of the leaders of that party. They set the tone...and its their tone on firearms and self-defense that I don't care for...

I really don't want to disagree with our fearless Forum owner but I do have to disagree, and its my opinion not a fact. I think both bills are dead, I will believe it when I see them in the books as a law then expect there to be some way for employers to circumvent the law and that colleges will find someway to do the same. we all agree that these laws will make us safer or give us more freedon to protect ourselves however the bulk of employers and colleges see this not just as a self defense issue or safety either, they see it as a control issue and control freaks will always find a way to remain in control

It appears to me that we have been shafted by our elected officials again.

RPBrown wrote:It appears to me that we have been shafted by our elected officials again.

But - but - but - we have a Republican SUPERMAJORITY in the house, and even a few DEMOCRATS might have voted with us on campus carry! HOW could this happen? Aren't Republicans always on OUR side?

Some Repubs are on our side, that is why it is imortant to find out where they stand during the primary.

RocTrac wrote:Some Repubs are on our side, that is why it is imortant to find out where they stand during the primary.

We need to know before the primaries. Good thing there's a way to tell.

If they voted against debating SB354, they're against us. (1/3 of the Senate)

If they voted against HB750 in committee, they're against us.

If they're on the calendars committee and didn't vote to schedule HB750, they're against us.
This includes all of them if none of them moved to put it on the schedule!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If they supported Straus for Speaker this session, after what he did to us last session, they're against us.

The way I figure, there's 25-30 incumbents worth supporting and most of them are in the Senate.

raptor wrote:

RocTrac wrote:Some Repubs are on our side, that is why it is imortant to find out where they stand during the primary.

We need to know before the primaries. Good thing there's a way to tell.

If they voted against debating SB354, they're against us. (1/3 of the Senate)

If they voted against HB750 in committee, they're against us.

If they're on the calendars committee and didn't vote to schedule HB750, they're against us.
This includes all of them if none of them moved to put it on the schedule!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If they supported Straus for Speaker this session, after what he did to us last session, they're against us.

The way I figure, there's 25-30 incumbents worth supporting and most of them are in the Senate.

yes Sir! But I read in yesterdays paper, in addition to SB905 sailing through .... another equally important bill
sailed through, a bill to allow "noodling" (catching catfish by hand)..... range protection, campus carry, parking lot bills,
school funding,..... not really important.... lets (legislators) take care of ourselves first SB905, then lets take care
of the "noodlers"...... you know, the REALLY important stuff. So many Rino's...

gemini wrote:

raptor wrote:

RocTrac wrote:Some Repubs are on our side, that is why it is imortant to find out where they stand during the primary.

We need to know before the primaries. Good thing there's a way to tell.

If they voted against debating SB354, they're against us. (1/3 of the Senate)

If they voted against HB750 in committee, they're against us.

If they're on the calendars committee and didn't vote to schedule HB750, they're against us.
This includes all of them if none of them moved to put it on the schedule!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If they supported Straus for Speaker this session, after what he did to us last session, they're against us.

The way I figure, there's 25-30 incumbents worth supporting and most of them are in the Senate.

yes Sir! But I read in yesterdays paper, in addition to SB905 sailing through .... another equally important bill
sailed through, a bill to allow "noodling" (catching catfish by hand)..... range protection, campus carry, parking lot bills,
school funding,..... not really important.... lets (legislators) take care of ourselves first SB905, then lets take care
of the "noodlers"...... you know, the REALLY important stuff. So many Rino's...

Keep in mind that the House Criminal Jurisprudence committee removed from the bill provisions covering everyone after the line specifying United States Attorneys and Assistant US Attorneys.

As currently amended, IT DOES NOT INCLUDE state legislators, statewide elected officials etc.

That, of course, is subject to floor amendments, if such is permitted in Local and Consent measures.

You may read the amended bill here:
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 00905H.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Look at the very bottom of the bill for the committee amendment changes.

P.S. It is certainly gratifying that the 'noodling' bill is gonna make it. Have you seen the PBS programs on it? Very interesting, but I don't think I will avail myself of the new opportunities.

CWOOD wrote:Keep in mind that the House Criminal Jurisprudence committee removed from the bill provisions covering everyone after the line specifying United States Attorneys and Assistant US Attorneys.

As currently amended, IT DOES NOT INCLUDE state legislators, statewide elected officials etc.

That was the 5/16 version. I can support that version, but I oppose special perks for legislators who killed campus safety.

It was back in committee on 5/19 according to TLO but neither the committee minutes nor video are available yet, so we don't know if other changes were made.

raptor wrote:

RocTrac wrote:Some Repubs are on our side, that is why it is imortant to find out where they stand during the primary.

We need to know before the primaries. Good thing there's a way to tell.

If they voted against debating SB354, they're against us. (1/3 of the Senate)

If they voted against HB750 in committee, they're against us.

If they're on the calendars committee and didn't vote to schedule HB750, they're against us.
This includes all of them if none of them moved to put it on the schedule!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If they supported Straus for Speaker this session, after what he did to us last session, they're against us.

The way I figure, there's 25-30 incumbents worth supporting and most of them are in the Senate.

Ugh. I agree. I haven't been in Texas for very long, but it's clear that Straus and Ogden need to go. It's been sickening to watch this whole debacle. We absolutely need to compile a list and start identifying people.

Thank the Lord we got "Noodling..." Now I won't have to carry a fishing rod to pretend that I didn't just shove my arm down the sucker's mouth. Who is going to sponsor the "grenade/dynamite fishing" bill next session?

ScottDLS wrote:Thank the Lord we got "Noodling..." Now I won't have to carry a fishing rod to pretend that I didn't just shove my arm down the sucker's mouth. Who is going to sponsor the "grenade/dynamite fishing" bill next session?

ya mean I can finally fish my way without going to jai??????

Turtles are known to move faster.

H Conf. Comm. Report distributed 05/24/2011 11:58 AM
S Conference committee report filed 05/23/2011

SB 321 Hegar/ Birdwell/ et al. SP: Kleinschmidt

Relating to an employee's transportation and storage of certain firearms or ammunition while on certain property owned or controlled by the employee's employer.
5-17 Senate refused to concur in House amendments and requested the appointment of a Conference Committee.
5-17 Senate conferees appointed: Hegar, Chair; Birdwell, Patrick, Wentworth, Whitmire.
5-20 House granted the request for the appointment of a Conference Committee.
5-20 House conferees appointed: Kleinschmidt, Chair; Fletcher, Geren, Guillen, Hardcastle.
5-23 Conference Committee report read and filed with Secretary of the Senate.

The root cause for losing the Campus Carry Bill is the archane "Blocker Bill" in the state Senate. This rule requires 2/3 vote to bring a bill to the floor for vote. In theory it protects the minority fROMm being railroaded. The first thing the Senate votes on each legislative session are the rules, to include the Blocker Bill.

When Senator Dan Patrick was first elected, he proposed eliminating the Blocker Bill. His vote was the only one in favor. This session he tried again to just lower that threshold to 60% of the Senate (same as required in US Senate to break a filibuster) instead of the 67%. Under the rules, Mario Gallegos was able to block the bill from coming to the floor for a vote. Had we had the 60%, the bill would have come to the floor, and would have passed. The bill has passed the House overwhelmingly so the bill would have gone to the Governor for his signature. Done deal.

When the bill was "killed" by the Blocker Bill, all the subsequent gimmicks (nice try though) just didn't work.

Contact your state Senators and ask them to amend the Blocker Bill next legislative session. A 60% rule will still "protect" the minority party from being railroaded.

Rhino1 wrote: The bill has passed the House overwhelmingly so the bill would have gone to the Governor for his signature. Done deal.

Campus Carry didn't pass the House. It was stuck in the Calendar Committee. Even if it had passed the Senate, I'm convinced Calendars still would have killed it by not letting it come to a vote on the House floor. The same thing they did in the last session.

Brian