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WildBill wrote:

speedsix wrote:...the first thing I noticed about the situation was that her gun malfunctioned and the slide didn't close after the first shot...

I believe that, for safety reasons, she only had one cartridge loaded for each demonstration.

...went back and watched the video again...the slide doesn't appear to be locked back, as on an empty mag follower...but partially closed...in all the other shots...slide closes completely...many little blowback pistols don't lock open on an empty mag, either...can't tell for sure...can't see the ejection port clearly...is that a velcro closure on the holster or snap???

flintknapper wrote:

but they're usually not potentially pointing right at your chest... Unless your carrying a shoulder rig... Heck okay too many variants..

I don't see that either mode of carry would have your weapon pointed at your chest (whether holstered or during the draw stroke). It would be possible to "cover" your weak-side arm if you didn't execute a proper draw.

I'm simply saying most people if asked would say they don't practice drawing nearly as much as they should. And, given that this holster is placed directly under the bottom of the bra and against the chest if a person is required to draw on a BG they may or may not pull straight down and out. Speculation...They may have the propensity as they grab the grip (and all they want to do is eliminate the threat in front of them as they're shaking in their boots) grab the grip and as they're attempting to remove it from under their shirt turn it (no matter how much) toward them to make it easier to remove it from it's holstered position and out from under their shirt as their arm starts pointing toward the assailant...
I'm thinking of this as one motion in a high stress situation when your training takes over and you react and not act...
In this type of circumstance you are going to revert to the lowest common denominator of your training and given a non safety mouse gun and you grab it as a reaction you "may" inadvertently sweep yourself. Again, in this type of situation it can happen with almost any holstered configuration...that is why it is imperative to practice practice practice your drawing technique. But, in my experience some ranges don't allow this type of shooting and a static paper target is only good for a static er...um... "target"...
JMHO 0.02

I guess the next best thing is snap caps at home? I frankly do not like the obvious safety risks, but I can see this as one alternative for carrying in certain situations if you are willing to spend the time cementing a good draw technique into muscle memory with practice. I don't know if others agree, but I tend to practice drawing and not firing. It helps me reinforce in my mind to keep my finger off the trigger during the draw.

MasterOfNone wrote:This type of holster could make for an awkward moment if an LEO has to disarm the carrier.

True, but no more so than with the SmartCarry.

TexasGal wrote:I guess the next best thing is snap caps at home? I frankly do not like the obvious safety risks, but I can see this as one alternative for carrying in certain situations if you are willing to spend the time cementing a good draw technique into muscle memory with practice. I don't know if others agree, but I tend to practice drawing and not firing. It helps me reinforce in my mind to keep my finger off the trigger during the draw.

I agree with Flint that there is no inherent safety risk if the draw stroke is carefully thought out and practiced to the point where it becomes instinctive.

If you practice only drawing and not firing, it's virtually certain that's what you'll do under stress, regardless of the need.

It's important to practice both firing and not firing based on a trigger (e.g., presentation of a threatening or non threatening target.) This develops judgment as well as a draw stroke.

Use of snap caps is fine, but unnecessary with most modern centerfire pistols.

speedsix wrote:

WildBill wrote:

speedsix wrote:...the first thing I noticed about the situation was that her gun malfunctioned and the slide didn't close after the first shot...

I believe that, for safety reasons, she only had one cartridge loaded for each demonstration.

...went back and watched the video again...the slide doesn't appear to be locked back, as on an empty mag follower...but partially closed...in all the other shots...slide closes completely...many little blowback pistols don't lock open on an empty mag, either...can't tell for sure...can't see the ejection port clearly...is that a velcro closure on the holster or snap???

I watched it again and I think you are right, but that isn't the fault of the holster.

...nobody hinted that it was...I find no fault with the holster...nor the model!!! (but let me go watch it again just to be sure...)

speedsix wrote:...nobody hinted that it was...I find no fault with the holster...nor the model!!! (but let me go watch it again just to be sure...)

FYI: Comments like this and several similar in this thread are offensive to many women and a good number of men. I know that some here also speak like this or are accustomed to those around them doing so, but I also know I am not the only one who is not subjected to comments like this in everyday life and find them jarring and offensive to see them here.

I would hate to think that I would be talked about like this should I be at a range with forum members.

...I am sorry that you are so over-sensitive that VERY carefully chosen and VERY decent references to the fact that the lady in the ad is pretty and easy to look at bother you...but you are being way too sensitive...in a group of adults at a range with that demonstration going on , I'm sure you would hear/see the same responses...I was not out of line, nor do I think any of the others were...there was not a hint of vulgarity in any of them...it's real fine for the entire advertising industry to capitalize on woman's beauty and man's attraction to it(and ladies' longing to be beautiful...like Wonder Woman, for instance)...I won't be shamed for making decently appreciative comments about them...now the comments after the video in the link...you can be offended at...but we here have said nothing shameful...

speedsix wrote:...I am sorry that you are so over-sensitive that VERY carefully chosen and VERY decent references to the fact that the lady in the ad is pretty and easy to look at bother you...but you are being way too sensitive...in a group of adults at a range with that demonstration going on , I'm sure you would hear/see the same responses...I was not out of line, nor do I think any of the others were...there was not a hint of vulgarity in any of them...it's real fine for the entire advertising industry to capitalize on woman's beauty and man's attraction to it(and ladies' longing to be beautiful...)...I won't be shamed for making decently appreciative comments about them...now the comments after the video in the link...you can be offended at...but we here have said nothing shameful...

I find the ads you reference to be debasing and not a justification for others to perpetuate the crude behavior. Advertisers intentionally appeal to the reptilian brain (hunger, thirst, lust) because it bypasses the critical thinking of the upper mammalian brain which would say the product stinks and costs too much. I expect more from gentlemen, especially when in the known presence of ladies. Since you do not expect more of yourself, I will place your name on my ignore list so I will not need to read your posts. I don't consider it the ideal response, but it is the best one I have given the circumstances.

...I am honored to be placed there...have no need/wish to communicate with your mind...I'm sure you picked your avatar because of her brilliant mind...

Hoi Polloi wrote:

speedsix wrote:...nobody hinted that it was...I find no fault with the holster...nor the model!!! (but let me go watch it again just to be sure...)

FYI: Comments like this and several similar in this thread are offensive to many women and a good number of men. I know that some here also speak like this or are accustomed to those around them doing so, but I also know I am not the only one who is not subjected to comments like this in everyday life and find them jarring and offensive to see them here.

I would hate to think that I would be talked about like this should I be at a range with forum members.

I assume the highlighted was the offending line. I must be getting old because I read it to mean that he saw nothing the model did that would cause the malfunction.

Come on, lets not get our hackles up on either side. Several comments have been made that were careful not to be too vulgar, but were showing the guys noticed the lady chosen for the demonstration is attractive in an obvious way. The intent of this thread is to discuss the holster. The large numbers of women who do frequent this forum do so because vulgarity is not allowed and that was just one too many comments drawing attention to the model instead of the holster. It's not that the particular words chosen were so horrible--they weren't and I do appreciate that. It was the intent to bring up the model yet again. Women of morals and class are offended by women and advertising who shamelessly feed the lust of men to the destruction of our families and the degradation of society. It's not that moral women don't want to be attractive to men, we just want men to remember we are people not bodies. I wish they would have chosen an average girl to do the demo, but they didn't. One of the things I like best about being here is the fact we all get along pretty well. Please let's calm down and preserve that. Guys, please keep comments aimed at sexual appreciation out of the holster discussion and ladies please note they did try to keep those comments clean even though making no comment at all was more appropriate to the thread and we can move on. Hopefully.

Sigh........

I understand Hoi's position, and the comments below are not directed at her or anyone else who contributed to this thread, but at a societal trend that has become pernicious tidal wave washing over our country with little open discussion.

In a nation where free speech used to be a cherished right (a lot like RKBA), we are fast becoming a society of professional offendees who flinch, jump and lash out at any choice of language that wouldn't have been our own, regardless of innocuous intent.

This is not good for honest and spirited discourse, and the deaths of both tolerance and a sense of humor are ones to be mourned.

In the northeast where I worked, folks used to respond to efforts to censor someone's innocently intended speech unless it conformed to another individual's self determined mandates with "Grow a skin." This was not gently put, but that was the New York way and it allowed folks to discuss controversial material and enjoy each other's company and ideas without having anyone stomp off in a huff.

I considered it good advice - both then and now.

The alternative is vapid speech devoid of everything that makes it rich - a poor heritage to hand to our children.

All holsters have their drawbacks. Not a single one is perfect for all body types. That is why there are so many of them. And that is why we all have our drawer full of holsters that didn't work for us.

I applaud the maker for entering the vastly untapped market of specialty holsters for women. Personally, I don't care for it, but again, any gun that you carry, in any holster, is better than the one you leave at home.