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Re: Backup Pistol for Hog Hunting

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 1:09 pm
by Dave2
Keith wrote:Gen3 in the SF frame is the same as the Gen4. All Gen 4 are SF frames or slim frames. So if u get a SF gen3 u have the same feel as a Gen4.
The mag release button is bigger (not the same as extended) and the backstraps are changeable. I'll admit I haven't had a chance to play with different backstraps, but there's something about the way I hold it... that new mag release button is 3 nights and 5 days better than the old one.

(Yeah, I know, I'm unlikely to be reloading while the theoretical boar is hypothetically charging me. That's why I'm thinking I'll probably eventually go with the Gen3 model.)

Re: Backup Pistol for Hog Hunting

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 1:12 pm
by Keith
Yes mag release diff im just talking about how the gun feels. Dont let a mag release freak u out. You have 15 rounds that would be the least of my worrys. It really is that great of a gun minus the smaller mag release that still give no issues.

If u like the way a gen4 feels u would never use the backstraps anywat so there pointless due to my answer above.

Re: Backup Pistol for Hog Hunting

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 1:14 pm
by Keith
Go to store and feel a G21 sf or a G20 sf same specs and u will feels the differance its a nice grip. Heck if your in the Dallas area u can try my Glock 20 SF.

Re: Backup Pistol for Hog Hunting

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 1:17 pm
by CC Italian
Keith- Is the 4th gen Glock 20 out? I haven't seen it for sale yet and when I called Glock about 3 months ago they told me early next year? Glock told me the recoil spring will be different and you can add backstraps to it? But the smallest configuration is just like the SF 3rd gen grip.

Re: Backup Pistol for Hog Hunting

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 1:20 pm
by Keith
No Gen4 not out yet. If u buy a Gen3 Glock20 in the SF frame its the same dimensions as the Gen4 full size Glocks.

Re: Backup Pistol for Hog Hunting

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 1:26 pm
by CC Italian
So I guess the only real benefit to the 4th gen is if you want to add bigger back straps or the dual recoil spring? Dual recoil spring, maybe. Adding back straps no way! I had to wait a long time to buy a Glock 20 because the non SF is hard to hold with even a medium hand. I honestly wish you could make it just a little smaller.

Re: Backup Pistol for Hog Hunting

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 1:32 pm
by Keith
Thats it and I dont know to many people who want to make a full size Glock grip bigger lol. As far as recoil goes the Gen 3 Glock 20 is very mild recoil for a 10mm. I shoot a ton of reg full power 10mm loads no issues. My father has loved the 10mm since day 1 and he just bought a Glock 20 SF.

He hates the way the Glock looks then he shot it. All he did was smile and say dang. He is 70 years old. :patriot: True Patriot!

Re: Backup Pistol for Hog Hunting

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 1:40 pm
by CC Italian
Dave- As for 10mm loads being equal to .41 mag I would say somewhat in the 170-200 grain area but only with a 6inch barrel in 10mm and 3.5-4inch barrel in .41mag. The 10mm can't keep up with the .41 mag in heavier loads. 1350fps with a 6in barrel for 250-265 grainers in .41 mag is way more then Buffalo Bore 220 hardcast running about 1300 from a 6inch barrel or Double Taps 230 grain running about 1175fps through the same 6inch. IMO the difference between .40 S&W and 10mm is the same as 10mm and .41mag when loaded to is full potential.

Re: Backup Pistol for Hog Hunting

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 3:15 pm
by chuckybrown
G.A. Heath wrote:Let me enumerate the reasons I feel the .40 is a poor choice for this application.

1: If you plan to use a back up gun to stop a wounded animal (The feral hog) from attacking what wounded it (this would be the hunter) then you want as much power as possible to dispatch the animal as quickly as possible. If you can't do this with your rifle then the animal is too close and shot placement will probably be less than ideal. A hog from a sounder that has never been hunted is more likely to charge when wounded than one from a sounder that has been hunted, there are not many sounders left that have not been hunted but hogs still charge on rare occasions. I believe Sheriff Jim Wilson has a real good story in a magazine about coming face to face with a wounded hog, IIRC that animal was hit with a rifle round and still got away from the hunters so Sheriff Jim went and tracked it down.

2: Handgun cartridges are not an ideal solution in most cases. With people it often takes multiple shots to stop the attacker who OFTEN survives. As a hunter you are ethically bound to dispatch your prey as quickly and painlessly as possible, taking a firearm that will require multiple shots does not fill the bill. Hogs are tough animals and can take punishment on par with humans, sometimes they can take more.

3: The .40S&W is NOT, I repeat NOT, a death ray. It is a downsized goldilocks caliber that was created because somebody thought the 9mm was too small, the .45 was too big and the 10mm was a little too much. This means that it is just another pistol caliber that has it's own ballistics. There is a reason it is marketed for self defense while the .41 mag, .44 mag, and even the 10mm as well as the .357 magnum are marketed to hunters (with the latter two being marketed for self defense as well). It can be used for hunting, like the .44 mag can be used for self defense, but it is not the ideal solution. Kinda like you can represent yourself in court, but that is not an ideal solution either.
G.A. Heath, I respect your opinion, but let's agree to disagree.

I can tell you....that while I may not be a published "hog expert", I'm as well versed as anyone, even those running hog hunting operations. IF I were to set up in a blind to hunt them with a pistol, you're 100% correct, I'd choose a big bore pistol, most likely my .454. But I can also tell you that I've guided innumerable hunts with a .40 on my hip, and have dispatched/finished off many piggies successfully, all with one shot.

And, let me say again, the WILD and CRAZY stories of attacking pigs.....are....just that. Sure, they'll stand their ground, but the instances of these are few and far between...and quite frankly, more folklorish than fact.

If you want to be a guest of river bottom hog hunting, drop me a line. I'll drive you right down into prime pig territory, and show you some of the best hog hunting there is to offer. That's a real invitation to come hunt, nothing more. I think you'd love the place.

Remember, this discussion is not unlike normal life: be aware of your surroundings, and know your risk.

In closing, here are some VICIOUS piggies before the shot, and after the shot. Notice how they charged the hunter! No, wait....they continued to eat around after one of them was harvested! Ok, they were young........
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Peace. Love. Chevrolet.

Re: Backup Pistol for Hog Hunting

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 7:04 pm
by G.A. Heath
If I'm ever in your area I might take you up on that. Hogs rarely charge, I'll grant that but a hog hunter is more likely to see a hog charge than get car jacked. That doesn't mean that we don't prepare for it. The one aspect of this I have mentioned that has remained unaddressed is the fact that a .40 is less likely to do the job in a humane manner, and as a hunter we owe it to our prey to take them in as humane a manner as possible. Some folks might claim that if any animal doesn't deserve a humane death it would be a feral hog, but they still deserve it. I won't try to take a hog with a 9mm, a .40, or a .45 because I don't think its humane and should it charge I want to hit it as hard as I can. And for reference I found the Sheriff Jim article I mentioned, it was more recent than I had thought or he has told the story again. http://sheriffjimwilson.com/2011/09/09/ ... the-hawgs/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Now that story is about a hog that was hit with a .270 in a lung and still had some fight left in it. Just remember that a wounded animal is at its most dangerous.

Re: Backup Pistol for Hog Hunting

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 7:10 pm
by Mike1951
This from KFOR, Oklahoma City.

760 lb hog taken with crossbow.

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Re: Backup Pistol for Hog Hunting

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 8:53 pm
by suthdj
Dave2 wrote:A few friends and I are planning on going hog hunting in Dec (anyone know of any good hog hunting grounds within a few hours of DFW?). I'm a complete newb at this... I think the only thing I've ever hunted for in my whole life is a place where I can get shakes in the drive-through at 3am*, so I really have no clue what's going on here...

I was thinking that it might be a good idea to carry a pistol as well as my rifle/carbine, so that if something bad happens and a clan of angry tusky animals decides to chase me, I won't have to untangle my long gun from the brush (or fumble around trying to reload its fixed magazine from a stripper clip) to defend myself. I've heard 9mm is inadequate for defense against hogs, and I want a 10mm pistol anyway, so this seemed like the perfect excuse to go pick one up. At one LGS, the guy said that the Glock 20 wouldn't have enough power, and that I should get a .357 Mag or .44 Mag revolver. Then I went to another LGS, told the guy the same thing, and he immediately said that he recommends whatever high-capacity .40 S&W pistol makes you happy, and then went on to talk about how many millions of hogs one of his coworkers had killed with his .40 S&W. Oh, and that 9mm is too weak, .45 ACP is too slow for the diameter of the bullet, and .357 Sig might work great but he's not sure.

So one "expert" is telling me that 10mm is too wussy for hogs (even though full-bore 10mm loads are supposed to be around a .41 Mag -- more powerful than the .357 Mag he recommends), and the other "expert" is telling me that 10mm is overkill, 10mm guns are hard to find, 10mm ammo is even harder to find than the gun, and that the ideal round is less powerful than one already deemed inadequate by the other "expert". :banghead: :willynilly: :banghead:

What do y'all think? Are these hot 10mm loads that I keep hearing about sufficient for dispatching angry, potentially wounded hogs? Should I skip the side-arm all together and just bring a large knife or bayonet? Perhaps a boom-box so that I can soothe away their anger with the power of music? I really don't know. (It's probably not the boom-box, though.)

* It's been a hunt that's lasted nearly four years... I'm about to give up and accept the fact that I might have to stop at IHOP or Denny's and actually get out of my car and talk to people who are entirely too cheerful if I want to meet my post-work liquid frozen dairy needs.

Awhile back I was looking for a place to hunt for hogs as it is something my wife found interesting. I found this place. http://mhr1857.webs.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; I still have not been there yet so can't say good or bad.

Re: Backup Pistol for Hog Hunting

Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:11 pm
by jocat54
Well I'm going to throw my two cents in here, while I agree that a large caliber is good, I have shot and killed many hogs with a .22lr. There are a lot of 'stories" out there, believe what you will, hogs are not an armored tank. They are like a plow on tractor though when rooting :smilelol5:

Almost any caliber will kill one. JMO.