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Charles L. Cotton wrote:

UNTCHL12 wrote:Is there any kind of information in penal codes that support this...

Support what part of my answer?

Chas.

...that's kinda like "if the tree didn't fall in the forest, why didn't anyone hear the sound?" if there is no law against an action...that's the answer...the "rangeperson" made the accusation...but couldn't quote a law...because there ISN'T one...I'd contact them by phone...explain to the owner what happened...if he backs up his employee's handling of it...then you have a decision to make about future visits there...it sounds like a classic case of ignoramus shootin'offmouthis...with a dash of littlemanwithmoreauthoritythanhecanhandle...I hate arbitrary...like walkin' in mud...give me a rule to stand on anyday...but don't apply it "sometimes"...

Please do let us know how this comes out. It will be interesting.......

What are you supposed to do when you get up to the door? Take the trigger lock off, put your magazine in, rack the slide and re-holster? Doesn't make sense. I've shot there many times and take my concealed gun out of the holster, shoot it, put it back in that's it. They never say anything.

OP, I can't remember if you pay before or after shooting but when you came off the range was your weapon in the holster? So, they had you pull your loaded weapon (unconceal) at the register, pull the mag, unload the bullet in the chamber then put a trigger lock on it before they would let you leave? I'm just curious how you even got in the conversation because that sounds unsafe as hell to me.

I was at that Bass Pro about a month ago and was very pleased when I discovered they had a range. All I had was my carry, and the guy at the counter was very good about it, showed him my (out of state) CHL and he did not blow my cover or ask me to lock up my gun on leaving. It's a shame to be hearing about this, that area just seems to be anti rights.

For all the 'legalistas' out there, If an establishment requires you to lock up upon exiting, do they incur liability for your safety until such time as you can discretely re-arm? It seems to me that they would, but I'm not that familiar with the finer points of the law. Might be an intersting scene "Sir, please place a lock on your weapon prior to leaving". "Certainly, as soon as you sign this aqcceptance of liability form or provide me with an armed escort to my vehicle. Take your choice." "HUH?"

bilgerat57 wrote:For all the 'legalistas' out there, If an establishment requires you to lock up upon exiting, do they incur liability for your safety until such time as you can discretely re-arm? It seems to me that they would, but I'm not that familiar with the finer points of the law. Might be an intersting scene "Sir, please place a lock on your weapon prior to leaving". "Certainly, as soon as you sign this aqcceptance of liability form or provide me with an armed escort to my vehicle. Take your choice." "HUH?"

Now, why would I think you already know the answer to that question?

"Cold Range" rules, guys. Nothing loaded unless pointed downrange. I'm sure for liability reasons, they don't want you drawing/holstering with your pistol NOT pointed downrange (i.e., your and other people's feet). I've shot at outdoor ranges that are like this too (clearly those ranges don't allow IDPA/USPSA).

I know it's awkward, but again, "concealed means concealed". Carry something different if you must. I'm sure some folks get away with it by being discreet, but some RM's follow the rules more closely.

i have heard the ceo of bass pro shop is very anti gun and chl. he basically thinks guns are for hunting in the woods and nothing else. dont know how true it really is but ive heard it from a few people.

alvins wrote:i have heard the ceo of bass pro shop is very anti gun and chl. he basically thinks guns are for hunting in the woods and nothing else. dont know how true it really is but ive heard it from a few people.

I'll try to find out. My nephew works in the corporate office.

Ok so I apologize to everyone for the delay.... But here is the update. My meeting with the stores manager is happening on Tuesday. Since the incident.... Among this forum, I have been researching every aspect of what has happened. I actually met with the DPS as well, and was informed there is nothing about what happened at the range that has any type of law or penal code to support what they were saying. There is absolutely no law in Texas regarding Brandishing a firearm. The store has the right to enforce store policy. There is quite a bit more I could write... But bottom line is the two gentleman I spoke with were incorrect. Next post will be about my meeting.

OldCannon wrote:"Cold Range" rules, guys. Nothing loaded unless pointed downrange. I'm sure for liability reasons, they don't want you drawing/holstering with your pistol NOT pointed downrange (i.e., your and other people's feet). I've shot at outdoor ranges that are like this too (clearly those ranges don't allow IDPA/USPSA).

It's no accident there are more NDs at cold ranges than hot ranges.

Lambda Force wrote:

OldCannon wrote:"Cold Range" rules, guys. Nothing loaded unless pointed downrange. I'm sure for liability reasons, they don't want you drawing/holstering with your pistol NOT pointed downrange (i.e., your and other people's feet). I've shot at outdoor ranges that are like this too (clearly those ranges don't allow IDPA/USPSA).

It's no accident there are more NDs at cold ranges than hot ranges.

Excuse my ignorance....ND's? I'm familiar with AD but not "ND's".

bilgerat57 wrote:

Lambda Force wrote:

OldCannon wrote:"Cold Range" rules, guys. Nothing loaded unless pointed downrange. I'm sure for liability reasons, they don't want you drawing/holstering with your pistol NOT pointed downrange (i.e., your and other people's feet). I've shot at outdoor ranges that are like this too (clearly those ranges don't allow IDPA/USPSA).

It's no accident there are more NDs at cold ranges than hot ranges.

Excuse my ignorance....ND's? I'm familiar with AD but not "ND's".

Negligent versus Accidental. Unless I have it backwards, a lot of people may call it AD, but ND is a better description.

C-dub wrote:

bilgerat57 wrote:Excuse my ignorance....ND's? I'm familiar with AD but not "ND's".

Negligent versus Accidental. Unless I have it backwards, a lot of people may call it AD, but ND is a better description.

In my opinion, there are at least 1000 negligent discharges for each true accidental discharge.

Accidental discharges are typically mechanical failures that cause the gun to discharge involving no human error, whereas negligent discharges often result from one or more failures to observe Cooper's 4 Rules and always include human error.

Lambda Force wrote:

OldCannon wrote:"Cold Range" rules, guys. Nothing loaded unless pointed downrange. I'm sure for liability reasons, they don't want you drawing/holstering with your pistol NOT pointed downrange (i.e., your and other people's feet). I've shot at outdoor ranges that are like this too (clearly those ranges don't allow IDPA/USPSA).

It's no accident there are more NDs at cold ranges than hot ranges.

Can you cite some reports on that?