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Roygbiv... You'll notice I didn't say anything about social issues. Theres a reason for that.

To me, the definition of a true conservative is simple: protect the borders, maintain a well trained and equipped military, deliver the mail: those are the necessary functions of a national govt. Everything else should be on the state or local level, or better yet not interfered with by any form of govt at all!

Yes, it's a very general definition, but it's hard to write a novel on a phone.

Tallmike....seriously?

Gwb was exact the type of repub I've been decrying, a big govt social conservative. I didn't like a lot of what he did.

But it's hard to compare that with a man who's added 5 trillion in debt in just 2 years, hasn't helped the economy, who has taken a lot more vacations on my dime than I have.

Bush worse than Obama? He wasn't great, but he wasn't this bad. We have an ivory tower professor who's never held a private sector job telling us capitalisms the problem. Come on!

74novaman wrote:Roygbiv... You'll notice I didn't say anything about social issues. Theres a reason for that.

To me, the definition of a true conservative is simple: protect the borders, maintain a well trained and equipped military, deliver the mail: those are the necessary functions of a national govt. Everything else should be on the state or local level, or better yet not interfered with by any form of govt at all!

Yes, it's a very general definition, but it's hard to write a novel on a phone.

I think we're on the same page.... but.. the rest of the GOP? Not so much....
That's why Obama won in '08 and why we'll have a close race for the WH this year.... A house divided.

All those waving the "True (Social) Conservative" flag (Santorum) need to check their social agenda at the door and focus on small government, fiscal sanity. To them I would say, "Do you really want to prioritize electing a candidate that promises to fight for a manger scene at the county courthouse, "preservation of marriage", abolishing abortion and promoting prayer in public schools ahead of finding a candidate with solid credentials and a solid record of delivering small government and fiscal responsibility as priority #1?

Even Gary "toker" Johnson would be a better president than Mitt Romney.

IMO, YMMV.

On July 4th my coffee tastes just a bit better knowing who I am,
On September 18th I wake up happy to know what I had an opportunity to do,
On December 7th I am sad at the memory of the sailors and soldiers,
On September 11th I wake up remembering exactly where I was on that horrible day,

On November 6th of this upcoming year I will smile all day knowing that I will pull that lever for the Republican candidate that removes the disease that resides in the White House today. If you don't have the mental strength or power to see this mission through then you are casting your vote for him. If you are voting third party or independent, you have no chance of winning. That is just a fact. I understand your voice, but reality is what it is.

Perry was my man, but now I have to pay closer attention to the three of the four candidates with a realistic chance of beating Obama.

Tallmike: You do realize don't you that Hitler was as much a socialist, i.e. of the left, as Stalin was. The name of Hitler's party was the National SOCIALIST Party, not the national capitalist party.

Sorry for the rant but it is one of my pet peeves that people see Hitler as on the right when in fact he was a leftist.

Careful not to put tooooooo much stock in names. They're just names.

China = PRC
North Korea = DPRK

stroo wrote:Tallmike: You do realize don't you that Hitler was as much a socialist, i.e. of the left, as Stalin was. The name of Hitler's party was the National SOCIALIST Party, not the national capitalist party.

Sorry for the rant but it is one of my pet peeves that people see Hitler as on the right when in fact he was a leftist.

Right or left, it really doesn't matter we are talking about a crazed lunatic. I brought him up just as an extreme counter to the extreme claim that the left is comparable to pol-pot or mao.

So we all agree... ??
Vote your conscience in the primary, vote GOP in the GE.

Perry Dropping out of GOP Race

Absolutely no surprise at all! Two years ago they said it was going to be Romney and Obama and my guess is those over paid political analysts will be right. I didn't think Perry had a chance anyways! I have said it before and I will say it again moderate or less conservative republican voters in swing states would never have voted for him and these are the states that will determine the next election. Many of these states are up north and republicans there are more moderate. Many of those swing states do not want hard right conservatives and many of the "more" conservative states are going to have a problem stomaching Romney! If enough feel they are not being taken seriously by the party they will vote for a third party candidate and that is all Obama will need in those swing states to turn the tide in his favor. I think it is going to be a closer race then people think but we will see! People still love him in other parts of the country.

Bite the bullet people and vote for whoever is on the Republican ticket, it's better then 4 more years of you know what!

CC Italian wrote:Bite the bullet people and vote for whoever is on the Republican ticket, it's better then 4 more years of you know what!

74novaman wrote:Tallmike....seriously?

Gwb was exact the type of repub I've been decrying, a big govt social conservative. I didn't like a lot of what he did.

But it's hard to compare that with a man who's added 5 trillion in debt in just 2 years, hasn't helped the economy, who has taken a lot more vacations on my dime than I have.

Bush worse than Obama? He wasn't great, but he wasn't this bad. We have an ivory tower professor who's never held a private sector job telling us capitalisms the problem. Come on!

Yes, seriously.

I have never heard Obama say that capitalism is the problem, I think you are making that up. I would also like to add that Bush added more to the size, power and scope of the government than Obama could ever dream of. Bush also added more to the national debt (both in sheer numbers and in % of GDP) than Obama.

Both of these guys have been terrible for our nation, and as long as R and D continue to control our nations politics we are doomed to more of the same. All that changes is the letter behind the name of the person driving our bus off the cliff.

CC Italian wrote:

Perry Dropping out of GOP Race

Bite the bullet people and vote for whoever is on the Republican ticket, it's better then 4 more years of you know what!

That short sighted thinking is exactly what keeps idiots in power.

"Vote for me! I am a terrible choice, but he is worse!"

Why not vote for someone that you agree with and think will do a good job?

All of you independents and "more" socially conservative voters in swing states who are reading this its up to you! We need you to make the right decision for the future of our country. Man up and vote for whoever is on the Republican ticket even if you prefer a different republican candidate. We need you!

tallmike wrote:I have never heard Obama say that capitalism is the problem, I think you are making that up.

I truly, truly wish I was making it up. Here is our Dear Leader, in his own words on the "theory of capitalism".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qmj4trja7w

I would also like to add that Bush added more to the size, power and scope of the government than Obama could ever dream of. Bush also added more to the national debt (both in sheer numbers and in % of GDP) than Obama.

As for this...yeah...no.
http://www.npr.org/2011/01/25/133211508 ... sh-on-debt

"When President Obama took office two years ago, the national debt stood at $10.626 trillion. It now stands at $14.071 trillion — a staggering increase of $3.445 trillion in just 735 days (about $5 billion a day).

To put that into perspective, when President George W. Bush took office, our national debt was $5.768 trillion. By the time Bush left office, it had nearly doubled, to $10.626 trillion. So Bush's record on deficit spending was not good at all: During his presidency, the national debt rose by an average of $607 billion a year. How does that compare to Obama? During Obama's presidency to date, the national debt has risen by an average of $1.723 trillion a year — or by a jaw-dropping $1.116 trillion more, per year, than it rose even under Bush."


You're certainly entitled to your own opinions, sir...but not your own facts.


Edit: I will concede you could argue for a massive expansion of govt power and the erosion of personal liberty under Bush. But the deficit statement is just flat out wrong.

tallmike wrote:Bush also added more to the national debt (both in sheer numbers and in % of GDP) than Obama.

You got anything to back that up?

http://www.skymachines.com/US-National- ... l-Term.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Between 12/31/01 and 12/31/08, Bush added $4,756,366,301,176 to the National Debt. When Bush left office, the National Debt was ~$10,699,804,864,612 (table only goes to 12/31/08). Obama, as of 12/31/11, has raised the National Debt to $15,125,898,976,397. Now, by my math, Obama has raised the National Debt by $4,426,094,111,785. Obama did this in 3 years. Bush did it in 8.

I won't even point out how wrong you are about the GDP. The table speaks for itself.