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SRH78 wrote:I completely disagree with this and to make such a statement leads down a VERY slippery slope. There are MANY breeds more aggressive than Pitts and Rotts. 99% of small breeds for a few. As for large dogs, I would put German Shepards ahead of Rotts and Pitts in a heartbeat. Pitts, especially are very gentle and loving dogs. All the crap people spew about dogs being unpredictable and turning for no reason is just that, a load of manure. I understand having a fear of what you don't understand but to restrict the rights of others because of your own unfounded fears is not the answer and is no different than what the Brady bunch is doing. It is funny how people take one view when it is their rights but another when it is someone elses.

Pitbulls were bred to bait bulls. Its a fact that once that was outlawed they were bred for fighting. Rottweilers were bred to protect herds so again bred to be aggressive to protect the herd. I don't know what inflammatory statement you think I said. If you read my post you would notice I also mentioned that Chihuahuas (spelling correction) are also aggressive but their size makes them easier to protect ones self. I've seen the face of a 12 year old boy after a he was malled by a pit when the ball of the boy's santa hat fell in front of his face. The dog was 9 or 10 years old, the family owned her since she was a pup. The dog never showed an ioda of aggression towards anyone her entire life. She was only playing. The family did not put the dog down but was required to consult with an expert on dog breeds physiology and behavior to satisfy the court. The expert stated the dog wasn't attacking the boy but in the breeds evolution, the breed will pull instead of releasing their jaws. As far as the HOA that was a decision made before I moved here. Pitbull fighting is still extremely popular in DFW and fighting pits are bred in communities. When fighting pits no longer prove profitable, many owners release them on the public streets. If you don't allow them in your community, breeders of fighting pits stay away. I am pro dog. I think dog owners are the problem not the dogs.

urnoodle wrote:

SRH78 wrote:I completely disagree with this and to make such a statement leads down a VERY slippery slope. There are MANY breeds more aggressive than Pitts and Rotts. 99% of small breeds for a few. As for large dogs, I would put German Shepards ahead of Rotts and Pitts in a heartbeat. Pitts, especially are very gentle and loving dogs. All the crap people spew about dogs being unpredictable and turning for no reason is just that, a load of manure. I understand having a fear of what you don't understand but to restrict the rights of others because of your own unfounded fears is not the answer and is no different than what the Brady bunch is doing. It is funny how people take one view when it is their rights but another when it is someone elses.

Pitbulls were bred to bait bulls. Its a fact that once that was outlawed they were bred for fighting. Rottweilers were bred to protect herds so again bred to be aggressive to protect the herd. I don't know what inflammatory statement you think I said. If you read my post you would notice I also mentioned that Chihuahuas (spelling correction) are also aggressive but their size makes them easier to protect ones self. I've seen the face of a 12 year old boy after a he was malled by a pit when the ball of the boy's santa hat fell in front of his face. The dog was 9 or 10 years old, the family owned her since she was a pup. The dog never showed an ioda of aggression towards anyone her entire life. She was only playing. The family did not put the dog down but was required to consult with an expert on dog breeds physiology and behavior to satisfy the court. The expert stated the dog wasn't attacking the boy but in the breeds evolution, the breed will pull instead of releasing their jaws. As far as the HOA that was a decision made before I moved here. Pitbull fighting is still extremely popular in DFW and fighting pits are bred in communities. When fighting pits no longer prove profitable, many owners release them on the public streets. If you don't allow them in your community, breeders of fighting pits stay away. I am pro dog. I think dog owners are the problem not the dogs.

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urnoodle wrote: For the future of the breeds, breeders should be required to mix them with a less aggressive breed (with similar features) to reduce the aggression. Pitbulls and rottweilers are beautiful dogs. I'd hate to see the breeds disappear.

As far as aggression, there is a lot more to it than that. Pitts, in particular, were also bred to NOT be aggressive towards people. Aggression towards people and other dogs are not the same thing. Btw, the origin of the myth of the so-called "locking jaws", actually did come from pitt fighting. It's purpose was to make it easier to break the dogs apart without being bitten, the same reason they bread them not to be aggressive toward people. Believe it or not, lots of dogs that actually are fought, are very sweet dogs when it comes to people. Btw, no, I am not involved in nor do I condone dog fighting but I have been around dogs that were fought. Rotts were bred to be protective. Last I checked, that is a good quality for a dog to have. One thing being overlooked as well is that many dogs bite out of fear. Breeds such as Rotts and Pitts are much more confident than most and are less likely to react out of fear. You run into far more problems with less common breeds or breeds that used a large amount of selective breeding to achieve certain traits. The result of this type of breeding is a lot of inbreeding and you end up with far more problem animals. Imo, the best kids dog out there is a female Rott. I have been around quite a few and they are wonderful with children but at the same time, they are also protective of them. Every kid in the neighborhood used to play with my very large male. That protect the herd instinct you speak of? Those kids were his herd and he was very protective of them and watched over them like a hawk. Again, protective and aggressive are not the same thing. Many of us would readily protect our loved ones but does that make us aggressive or dangerous? That aside, the problem with REQUIRING breeds to be mixed or banning breeds is it is no different than saying you can have a S&W but not a Glock. Lots of people are afraid of guns, should we give ours up to satisfy them? Banning Pitts is not the answer. Banning Rotts is not the answer, besides, nearly every breed out there was at one point bred for either protection or hunting so the same arguement could be made for them.

Many people will tell you Glocks are unsafe. Are they any less safe than an any other DAO handgun without an external safety? Why don't people make the same remarks about an M&P? Reputations are not always earned.

speedsix wrote:...the main difference is that their study is documented with facts and newspaper reports and law enforcement statistics...so we're dealing with hard, cold facts...something Brady hasn't bothered to do...so the analogy fails there...

...agenda? for sure...that's the reason the organization was begun...to expose and influence regulation on the effects of citizens not taking proper care of their animals...and the damage/pain/deaths caused when they don't...I'd say they're doing a good job of it...glad MY granddaughter and MY sons haven't made their lists...

...regardless of the site's agenda...the facts are still verifiable facts...for those who want to dig them out...and reach their own conclusions...two more incidents this year already that I know of...one a fatality...one a mauling where parents knew the danger...and are now in jail because they didn't act responsibly and their son got attacked...by their dog...

...here's one more study...looks like they have an agenda, too...maybe to warn us... http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalS ... eeds-a.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

One of the reasons "Attacks are increasing" by pit bulls (AKA Staffordshire Terriers) is that "any dog of mixed breed is now classed as a "Pit Bull"".

There are liars, GD liars and Statisticians.

You have to have an accurate database to have accurate statistics.