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Re: LEO numbers compared to CHLs in Texas
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:00 am
by Liberty
surprise_i'm_armed wrote:Count me in as a 24/7 carrier anywhere I am, unless it's a 30.06 site.
I can't fathom how someone can feel it's important enough to get a CHL and a gun in order to thwart evil,
but then they leave the gun at home most of the time because they don't think they'll need it.
I didn't intend on carrying much when I first got my CHL. I wanted to have a handgun, I wanted to have one with me in times of civil disorder and disruption (I just went through the massive Rita evacuation), and I wanted to be able to freely transport it it to the range.
I didn't understand the laws very well so it wasn't real clear on when I could or couldn't carry. So I took the class, found a lot of people do carry, logged onto here, and learned about the techniques and equipment that makes concealed carry easier.
Today I do carry pretty much 24/7, I don't do so out of a feeling of a need to protect myself, I survived 50 years without always having a handgun on me. I carry because I have a right too, and I can. I feel that our world is a safer place if more of us are carrying and that I am doing my part in convincing badguys that a lot of us are packing. and that being a bad guy might be more dangerous than making an honest living.
Re: LEO numbers compared to CHLs in Texas
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:16 am
by speedsix
03Lightningrocks wrote:surprise_I'm_armed wrote:Count me in as a 24/7 carrier anywhere I am, unless it's a 30.06 site.
I can't fathom how someone can feel it's important enough to get a CHL and a gun in order to thwart evil,
but then they leave the gun at home most of the time because they don't think they'll need it.
Do these people only get car insurance once in a while when they feel like they're going to get in a wreck?
Sheesh!
How stupid would someone feel if they got robbed or carjacked, they had their CHL's, but the gun was at home?
SIA
You are making the assumption that people get insurance in case they get in a wreck. I am old enough to have been around and driving when insurance was not required by law. It was a HUGE problem!!! Many people did not have insurance. Fact is, a HUGE percentage of people get insurance only because the auto finance company requires comprehensive. proof is in the large number of folks who carry liability only once the car is paid off. Liability is carried by many people because the law requires it. Nobody really believes they are going to get into an accident.
Folks who get a CHL and don't carry are often the folks who are convinced to get one by well meaning relatives. How many right here on this forum have worked very hard to convince the wife or girlfriend to get her CHL? I have read the posts. I believe if people get a CHL in the moment of fear, such as a recent close encounter with crime, or because the husband or boyfriend terrified them into getting one... these folks are highly unlikely to continue a 24/7 carry regimen for the long term.
To carry on in the same tone as comparing a CHL to Car insurance the reasoning seems obvious. People don't think they are going to be involved in a car accident and people don't think they are going to be attacked and need a gun. Truth is... the odds of any one of us actually needing our concealed carry are about the same as getting hit by lightning. By the way... there is a huge difference in needing a concealed handgun and THINKING you needed one. If an incident happens and you didn't actually pull your gun... you didn't need it.
...not EVEN...
http://www.politifact.com/texas/article ... lightning/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ...maybe

Re: LEO numbers compared to CHLs in Texas
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 1:15 pm
by 03Lightningrocks
speedsix wrote:03Lightningrocks wrote:surprise_I'm_armed wrote:Count me in as a 24/7 carrier anywhere I am, unless it's a 30.06 site.
I can't fathom how someone can feel it's important enough to get a CHL and a gun in order to thwart evil,
but then they leave the gun at home most of the time because they don't think they'll need it.
Do these people only get car insurance once in a while when they feel like they're going to get in a wreck?
Sheesh!
How stupid would someone feel if they got robbed or carjacked, they had their CHL's, but the gun was at home?
SIA
You are making the assumption that people get insurance in case they get in a wreck. I am old enough to have been around and driving when insurance was not required by law. It was a HUGE problem!!! Many people did not have insurance. Fact is, a HUGE percentage of people get insurance only because the auto finance company requires comprehensive. proof is in the large number of folks who carry liability only once the car is paid off. Liability is carried by many people because the law requires it. Nobody really believes they are going to get into an accident.
Folks who get a CHL and don't carry are often the folks who are convinced to get one by well meaning relatives. How many right here on this forum have worked very hard to convince the wife or girlfriend to get her CHL? I have read the posts. I believe if people get a CHL in the moment of fear, such as a recent close encounter with crime, or because the husband or boyfriend terrified them into getting one... these folks are highly unlikely to continue a 24/7 carry regimen for the long term.
To carry on in the same tone as comparing a CHL to Car insurance the reasoning seems obvious. People don't think they are going to be involved in a car accident and people don't think they are going to be attacked and need a gun. Truth is... the odds of any one of us actually needing our concealed carry are about the same as getting hit by lightning. By the way... there is a huge difference in needing a concealed handgun and THINKING you needed one. If an incident happens and you didn't actually pull your gun... you didn't need it.
...not EVEN...
http://www.politifact.com/texas/article ... lightning/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ...maybe

That settles it!!! I am getting a lightning rod!!!

Re: LEO numbers compared to CHLs in Texas
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 1:25 pm
by 03Lightningrocks
All I was really trying to point out is why I think folks get a CHL and then fail to carry. I think many of the folks who do this start out getting the CHL in the moment of heightened awareness and then as time goes by and nothing "bad" happens, they relax. My darned son drives me crazy with this stuff. He has a CHL and is 50/50 at best. What makes it even more ridiculous is that he was with me as a youngster when I had to use a gun to defend us! He isn't stupid, he is a darned lawyer. I think he is the typical "it won't happen to me" American. I have heard many folks claim they carry when going into "high risk" situations. Drives me nuts!
Re: LEO numbers compared to CHLs in Texas
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 1:55 pm
by Armybrat
If I'm wearing pants, then I'm carrying.
Re: LEO numbers compared to CHLs in Texas
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:08 pm
by C-dub
03Lightningrocks wrote:All I was really trying to point out is why I think folks get a CHL and then fail to carry. I think many of the folks who do this start out getting the CHL in the moment of heightened awareness and then as time goes by and nothing "bad" happens, they relax. My darned son drives me crazy with this stuff. He has a CHL and is 50/50 at best. What makes it even more ridiculous is that he was with me as a youngster when I had to use a gun to defend us! He isn't stupid, he is a darned lawyer. I think he is the typical "it won't happen to me" American. I have heard many folks claim they carry when going into "high risk" situations. Drives me nuts!
I also hear that sometimes. I won't go someplace high risk unless I don't have any choice. Almost everywhere I go I consider low risk, but I still carry.
Re: LEO numbers compared to CHLs in Texas
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:45 pm
by 03Lightningrocks
C-dub wrote:03Lightningrocks wrote:All I was really trying to point out is why I think folks get a CHL and then fail to carry. I think many of the folks who do this start out getting the CHL in the moment of heightened awareness and then as time goes by and nothing "bad" happens, they relax. My darned son drives me crazy with this stuff. He has a CHL and is 50/50 at best. What makes it even more ridiculous is that he was with me as a youngster when I had to use a gun to defend us! He isn't stupid, he is a darned lawyer. I think he is the typical "it won't happen to me" American. I have heard many folks claim they carry when going into "high risk" situations. Drives me nuts!
I also hear that sometimes. I won't go someplace high risk unless I don't have any choice. Almost everywhere I go I consider low risk, but I still carry.
Same here. If a place is bad enough that I am thinking I NEED a gun, I stay away. I carry 24/7 just in case a bad guy stumbles into my peaceful environment by accident.

Re: LEO numbers compared to CHLs in Texas
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 11:06 pm
by terryg
Liberty wrote:surprise_i'm_armed wrote:Count me in as a 24/7 carrier anywhere I am, unless it's a 30.06 site.
I can't fathom how someone can feel it's important enough to get a CHL and a gun in order to thwart evil,
but then they leave the gun at home most of the time because they don't think they'll need it.
I didn't intend on carrying much when I first got my CHL. I wanted to have a handgun, I wanted to have one with me in times of civil disorder and disruption (I just went through the massive Rita evacuation), and I wanted to be able to freely transport it it to the range.
I didn't understand the laws very well so it wasn't real clear on when I could or couldn't carry. So I took the class, found a lot of people do carry, logged onto here, and learned about the techniques and equipment that makes concealed carry easier.
Today I do carry pretty much 24/7, I don't do so out of a feeling of a need to protect myself, I survived 50 years without always having a handgun on me. I carry because I have a right too, and I can. I feel that our world is a safer place if more of us are carrying and that I am doing my part in convincing badguys that a lot of us are packing. and that being a bad guy might be more dangerous than making an honest living.
This is me almost to a tee, except my event was staying put during and after Ike. I even told my instructor I didnt think I would carry much.
Re: LEO numbers compared to CHLs in Texas
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:49 am
by Drjfiremedic
My wife and I both are 24/7 carriers, save for the obvious 30.06 locations but I tend to avoid those all together.