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Re: TSA Plans to put agnts on Houston Buses
Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:08 pm
by anygunanywhere
There might be a large influx of ex-secret service agents into the TSA in the future.
Anygunanywhere
Re: TSA Plans to put agnts on Houston Buses
Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:26 pm
by srothstein
LSL wrote:Question: What is citation about the requirement of a Texas peace officer to have TCLOESE card (license) on person?
I am not aware of any legal requirement to carry an ID card on your person as a police officer. Most departments do require it as part of their regs, but I don't know of such a law. Carrying a department ID (not TCLEOSE) is sort of implied in Subchapter H of chapter 614 of the government Code. That was the law passed 4 years ago that specifies that each department will issue a card and what has to be on it. 614.122 strengthens this implication by stating that the card must have a phone number on it to verify the validity and the number must eb answered 24 hours per day.
Re: TSA Plans to put agnts on Houston Buses
Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 1:29 pm
by fickman
MadMonkey wrote:I'm not seeing anything about TSA officers on buses in that link. The only reference I've seen to "Undercover TSA Officers" is on tinfoil hat sites and blogs, not actual news sites. Everything else either doesn't say or says undercover police officers. Big difference.
I noticed the same thing.
If I had to bet, the TSA is involved by funding the undercover local police, training them, organizing them, or giving them directions for the "task force". My guess is that the undercover officers will be Houston PD.
Regardless, I agree that this is beyond the scope of TSA, the creation of which continues to be the most lamentable thing about the Bush Administration.
Re: TSA Plans to put agnts on Houston Buses
Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:49 pm
by SewTexas
I am not aware of any legal requirement to carry an ID card on your person as a police officer
you have to carry something...and if these guys are in plain clothes what are they going to carry? 'Cause trust me, they aren't getting into my purse or anything other bag of mine without some proof of who they are, and a badge alone, may or may not be enough...just kinda depends on the kind of day I've had and how much of a Texan b* I want to be. Not that I have ever, or will ever ride a bus in Houston
Now, here's the plan, on the first day they implement this......
Re: TSA Plans to put agnts on Houston Buses
Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:32 am
by A-R
Rhetorical questions: What authority do Federal agents have to arrest someone on a city bus? What Federal crime would be charged? A METRO bus does not conduct interstate travel of any kind. How do they get around 10th Amendment issues?
Re: TSA Plans to put agnts on Houston Buses
Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:46 am
by RottenApple
A-R wrote:Rhetorical questions: What authority do Federal agents have to arrest someone on a city bus? What Federal crime would be charged? A METRO bus does not conduct interstate travel of any kind. How do they get around 10th Amendment issues?
They do what the administration has proven so good at: They ignore the Constitution completely.
Re: TSA Plans to put agnts on Houston Buses
Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:59 am
by Birdshot70
speedsix wrote:...smacks of "Papers, Please!!!" to me
Not only that, but soon there will be a TSA booth setup between the house and your driveway or garage so they can thwart your carrying and weapon or liquid over 5 oz with you on your travels in your car. They would label it 'CarSafe' under the guise of making travel on our suburban streets a safer and nicer place for motorists.
Puts me in mind of the line in
'The Treasure of the Sierra Madre' 
Re: TSA Plans to put agnts on Houston Buses
Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:42 am
by donkey
RottenApple wrote:A-R wrote:Rhetorical questions: What authority do Federal agents have to arrest someone on a city bus? What Federal crime would be charged? A METRO bus does not conduct interstate travel of any kind. How do they get around 10th Amendment issues?
They do what the administration has proven so good at: They ignore the Constitution completely.
Read Article 2.122
http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/D ... m/CR.2.htm
Many federal agents(i.e. FBI, DEA, ATF, Deputy US Marshals) are listed as "Special Investigators" by the state of Texas. They are NOT considered peace officers, but they do have powers of arrest, search, and seizure under state laws as to felony offenses. FPS officer are not considered peace officers but do have powers of arrest, search, and seizure as to any offense under state law. CBP officers and Border Patrol agents have their own sections with different rules. So while the US Constitution may not have a provision that gives federal agents the ability to enforce state laws, the state of Texas has
given some power to select agents and officers.
Re: TSA Plans to put agnts on Houston Buses
Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:52 pm
by srothstein
A-R wrote:Rhetorical questions: What authority do Federal agents have to arrest someone on a city bus? What Federal crime would be charged? A METRO bus does not conduct interstate travel of any kind. How do they get around 10th Amendment issues?
There are three connections they can use. The first is that the buses ride on federal roads, including interstate highways. The second is that the buses might be carrying a person who is visiting from another state, thus engaging in interstate commerce.
But the real reason, and the strongest connection IMO, is that the bus system uses federal money to operate. He who controls the purse strings controls the enforcement in this case.
Re: TSA Plans to put agnts on Houston Buses
Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:45 am
by SewTexas
shoot, these days they don't have to stretch even that far...."they are breathing oxygen that has traveled from a different state" "those tires on the bus were made in a different state" there interstate commerce for ye.
Re: TSA Plans to put agnts on Houston Buses
Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:57 am
by Mike1951
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?secti ... id=8629966" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
There were some TSA agents involved as well as warrantless (and unwarranted) searches.
The counter-terror exercise resulted in 14 arrests, but no terrorists. They found seven alleged prostitutes, two drug users, one dealer, two bad drivers and two more wanted suspects. But they also found a lot of criticism.
.......
Bennett's concern started when he saw a METRO blog saying that TSA and METRO did random warrant-less bag checks of bus riders. METRO now says they didn't do that.
"We did zero random bag checks," Rodriguez said.
"I don't believe they didn't do any searches. The reason I don't believe it is before the operation, they announced there were going to be random bag checks. And after the investigation, they announced in their official blog that there had been bag checks," Bennett said.
Re: TSA Plans to put agnts on Houston Buses
Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 11:40 am
by sjfcontrol
Uh Oh! Of the 14 arrested, 12 were African-American.
Re: TSA Plans to put agnts on Houston Buses
Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:54 pm
by gringo pistolero
Wow! SJL came up with a plan that would actually lower the average IQ on city buses.
Re: TSA Plans to put agnts on Houston Buses
Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 6:27 pm
by sjfcontrol
gringo pistolero wrote:Wow! SJL came up with a plan that would actually lower the average IQ on city buses.
SJL?
Re: TSA Plans to put agnts on Houston Buses
Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:27 pm
by Liberty
sjfcontrol wrote:gringo pistolero wrote:Wow! SJL came up with a plan that would actually lower the average IQ on city buses.
SJL?
Sheila Jackson Lee the elected clown^d^d^d^d^d Congress critter from Houston.