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Re: 1911 or Sigma 40ve??
Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 11:26 am
by pbwalker
M1911A1-Lover wrote:
I have no problem with that at all, i welcome being corrected because if you dont get corrected you cant learn.
Very wise words, and ones I subscribe to myself!

Re: 1911 or Sigma 40ve??
Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 11:30 am
by rm9792
M1911A1-Lover wrote:rm9792 wrote:Trigger pull us irrelevant. You have bought into urban legend. Maybe if you claimed it was an accident then they might try to blame any mods but that is doubtful. A good shoot is a good shoot regardless of weapon choice. Find a court case where trigger pull or choice of ammo was significant.
The pull on my last Sigma was over 12 lbs and i lowered it to around 7. My kimber 1911 from the factory was 4. So the sigma was still 8 lbs heavier.
Well then that would mean that the HPD srgt i took my chl class from (who has been in shootings by himself) would be wrong, my 1911 has a 5lb pull so i carry my 1911 and with a lowered and flared ejection port the chances of a FF or jam is greatly reduced as you know. and for me my sigma 40 has a 10lb pull and pluss i do 300+lb deadlifts with my hands a 10lb trigger pull aint nothin.
This site is packed with Cops, lawyers, military, etc from all over the country. You will find that taking advice from one person is bad. Verify what you have been told, dont take others word for it. The cops concern is why you shot someone, not the tool used. a 10lb pull is something to everyone, from a bodyduilder to a cheerleader. That much pull will cause your sight picture to shift greatly at the last millisecond. Competition pistols and hunting rifles have a lite pull for a reason. The ejection port on a 1911 has nothing to do with FTF or most FTE. Magazines, ramps and recoil springs are what guides feeding and ejectors/extractors are in charge of ejection.
You buddy is wrong, sorry. You are going to discover that a lot of CHL instructors are wrong on things from minor issues to outright dangerous lies. Read the laws for yourself, look up court cases for yourself, ask people to cite their "beliefs" and you will find they cant because "they just heard it".
This site is a great resource and mostly friendly people whom know what they are talking about. We have one of the legislators whom helped to craft CHL law so you cant get a better resource than that.
Re: 1911 or Sigma 40ve??
Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 11:32 am
by rm9792
M1911A1-Lover wrote:pbwalker wrote:M1911A1-Lover wrote:
M1911A1-Lover wrote: )
Oh boy...
roll your eyes all you want but its what i call the condom rule, better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. and i heared the trigger information from Srgt Paul Ogden he said that phorensics inspects the trigger first so dont mess with it because they call the factory to find out the original trigger pull.
First off, the factory will quote the average pull they set at. The pull on a 1911 will change the more it is shot and almost always gets lighter as parts wear and smooth out. Second, there is no moral or legal problem with replacing worn parts and the new sear spring will not likely be the same as the old one.
Re: 1911 or Sigma 40ve??
Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 11:33 am
by M1911A1-Lover
rm9792 wrote:M1911A1-Lover wrote:rm9792 wrote:Trigger pull us irrelevant. You have bought into urban legend. Maybe if you claimed it was an accident then they might try to blame any mods but that is doubtful. A good shoot is a good shoot regardless of weapon choice. Find a court case where trigger pull or choice of ammo was significant.
The pull on my last Sigma was over 12 lbs and i lowered it to around 7. My kimber 1911 from the factory was 4. So the sigma was still 8 lbs heavier.
Well then that would mean that the HPD srgt i took my chl class from (who has been in shootings by himself) would be wrong, my 1911 has a 5lb pull so i carry my 1911 and with a lowered and flared ejection port the chances of a FF or jam is greatly reduced as you know. and for me my sigma 40 has a 10lb pull and pluss i do 300+lb deadlifts with my hands a 10lb trigger pull aint nothin.
This site is packed with Cops, lawyers, military, etc from all over the country. You will find that taking advice from one person is bad. Verify what you have been told, dont take others word for it. The cops concern is why you shot someone, not the tool used. a 10lb pull is something to everyone, from a bodyduilder to a cheerleader. That much pull will cause your sight picture to shift greatly at the last millisecond. Competition pistols and hunting rifles have a lite pull for a reason. The ejection port on a 1911 has nothing to do with FTF or most FTE. Magazines, ramps and recoil springs are what guides feeding and ejectors/extractors are in charge of ejection.
You buddy is wrong, sorry. You are going to discover that a lot of CHL instructors are wrong on things from minor issues to outright dangerous lies. Read the laws for yourself, look up court cases for yourself, ask people to cite their "beliefs" and you will find they cant because "they just heard it".
This site is a great resource and mostly friendly people whom know what they are talking about. We have one of the legislators whom helped to craft CHL law so you cant get a better resource than that.
See thats what im looking for im actually glad to hear that, thank you very much for the info thats fan freakin tastic!

Re: 1911 or Sigma 40ve??
Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 11:34 am
by M1911A1-Lover
rm9792 wrote:M1911A1-Lover wrote:pbwalker wrote:M1911A1-Lover wrote:
M1911A1-Lover wrote: )
Oh boy...
roll your eyes all you want but its what i call the condom rule, better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. and i heared the trigger information from Srgt Paul Ogden he said that phorensics inspects the trigger first so dont mess with it because they call the factory to find out the original trigger pull.
First off, the factory will quote the average pull they set at. The pull on a 1911 will change the more it is shot and almost always gets lighter as parts wear and smooth out. Second, there is no moral or legal problem with replacing worn parts and the new sear spring will not likely be the same as the old one.
Thats true as well, i knew i made the right choice when i joined this forum

Re: 1911 or Sigma 40ve??
Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 11:35 am
by M1911A1-Lover
pbwalker wrote:M1911A1-Lover wrote:
I have no problem with that at all, i welcome being corrected because if you dont get corrected you cant learn.
Very wise words, and ones I subscribe to myself!

