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glockstero wrote:I was thinking I would just start wearing a camo hat, start chewing tobacco, and trade te car in for a pick-up. That way everyone would know.

Way to jump back in there.

Glockstero is the guyone that went nuclear over in the obama guns thread. I predict he or she will have more great posts to this forum.

It's been a long time since I did the badge & gun thing, and even then it was with the dreaded feds. However, I remember when working in Texas, the cops still used "10 codes" and whenever we'd see a car/driver combo we'd snagged, we'd call the local sheriff's office dispatcher and request a "10-27 and 10-28" which were two separate inquiries--with one for details on the car (from the license tags) and the other being the details on the operator (from his/her drivers license).

The only way I can see DPS having your CHL information via your license tags is when the vehicle you're operating is registered in your name and the database computer queries your name as a match (spelling, address usually) with the registered owner of the car.

Otherwise, we may have a Fourth Amendment issue.

I've been pulled over three times since acquiring my CHL. I do not care what the law says about informing the officer, I know what I'm going to do having worked in that officer's shoes before. I'm going to be polite, professional and non-hostile and for God's sake, stow the attitude.

As far as easing up to every cop you see and whispering sweet nothings in their ear like "Hey dude, I'm a trained CHL holder now and don't fret--I've got your back," I can't imagine WHY anyone would want to do this.

A CHL holder (literally) saved my life one night on a dark highway several states to the east when instead of one guy getting out of a vehicle, four guys got out and the fight was on. Two booming shots into the air stopped my assailants just long enough for me to retrieve my pistol and club two of them between the eyes as the other two backed away from the citizen with a gun. He was screaming "I have a permit! I have a permit! I'm a good guy!" which was enough for me and the nano-second I had the four guys spread out over the pavement, he laid his gun down on the pavement and backed away.

I have yet to meet the cop who really wants to get badly beaten or killed at the risk of not having someone help him/her out, but I've also yet to meet the cop that wants some freshly CHL'd bozo strutting up to him and assuring him that "I've got your back."

That is bravado and it is exactly what LE does not want to hear.

My advice to the young newly minted CHL holder is to stick to wearing camo and chewing tobacco and stay far, far away from cops. That kind of help is never needed and your "assurance" is the kind of thing that keeps some cops awake at night.

Besides, if you're not sure about how to conduct yourself during a stop, why in blazes would you voluntarily strut up to a cop and tell him/her you've got their back?

Makes no sense.

JD

gigag04 wrote:

AEA wrote:Local Officer may not know that the owner of the vehicle (plates) has a Texas CHL.

DPS Officers do get that information when they run a plate.

No they don't.

HUH?
Run Plate - Get owner's name and address and DL#.
Run DL# - Get CHL info.

AEA wrote:

gigag04 wrote:

AEA wrote:Local Officer may not know that the owner of the vehicle (plates) has a Texas CHL.

DPS Officers do get that information when they run a plate.

No they don't.

HUH?
Run Plate - Get owner's name and address and DL#.
Run DL# - Get CHL info.

No owner's DL number or birth date on TX plate records. so no way to do what you said. Closest you can come is in some cities, run plate, check plate through municipal court files for recent driver's with tickets, then run those DL's. But the biggest flaw in your theory is how DPS runs plates. Normally, troopers use the local dispatchers not the DPS statewide system. After all, if you ere in a dangerous position, would you want the person in Austin to know where youa re or the person controlling the local cops to get you backup. So they get exactly what the local cops get.

srothstein wrote:

AEA wrote:

gigag04 wrote:

AEA wrote:Local Officer may not know that the owner of the vehicle (plates) has a Texas CHL.

DPS Officers do get that information when they run a plate.

No they don't.

HUH?
Run Plate - Get owner's name and address and DL#.
Run DL# - Get CHL info.

No owner's DL number or birth date on TX plate records. so no way to do what you said. Closest you can come is in some cities, run plate, check plate through municipal court files for recent driver's with tickets, then run those DL's. But the biggest flaw in your theory is how DPS runs plates. Normally, troopers use the local dispatchers not the DPS statewide system. After all, if you ere in a dangerous position, would you want the person in Austin to know where youa re or the person controlling the local cops to get you backup. So they get exactly what the local cops get.

This.

Plus query forms can be customized, but return forms are usually not. Example:

We have some custom built queries that will check a DL number for:

DL/ID record
TCIC check
NCIC check

and give you three separate returns as separate messages. DL is entered only once.

Plates are tied to a name and address only. What SRoth said is right on.

jdkinman wrote:It's been a long time since I did the badge & gun thing, and even then it was with the dreaded feds. However, I remember when working in Texas, the cops still used "10 codes" and whenever we'd see a car/driver combo we'd snagged, we'd call the local sheriff's office dispatcher and request a "10-27 and 10-28" which were two separate inquiries--with one for details on the car (from the license tags) and the other being the details on the operator (from his/her drivers license).

The only way I can see DPS having your CHL information via your license tags is when the vehicle you're operating is registered in your name and the database computer queries your name as a match (spelling, address usually) with the registered owner of the car.

Otherwise, we may have a Fourth Amendment issue.

I've been pulled over three times since acquiring my CHL. I do not care what the law says about informing the officer, I know what I'm going to do having worked in that officer's shoes before. I'm going to be polite, professional and non-hostile and for God's sake, stow the attitude.

As far as easing up to every cop you see and whispering sweet nothings in their ear like "Hey dude, I'm a trained CHL holder now and don't fret--I've got your back," I can't imagine WHY anyone would want to do this.

A CHL holder (literally) saved my life one night on a dark highway several states to the east when instead of one guy getting out of a vehicle, four guys got out and the fight was on. Two booming shots into the air stopped my assailants just long enough for me to retrieve my pistol and club two of them between the eyes as the other two backed away from the citizen with a gun. He was screaming "I have a permit! I have a permit! I'm a good guy!" which was enough for me and the nano-second I had the four guys spread out over the pavement, he laid his gun down on the pavement and backed away.

I have yet to meet the cop who really wants to get badly beaten or killed at the risk of not having someone help him/her out, but I've also yet to meet the cop that wants some freshly CHL'd bozo strutting up to him and assuring him that "I've got your back."

That is bravado and it is exactly what LE does not want to hear.

My advice to the young newly minted CHL holder is to stick to wearing camo and chewing tobacco and stay far, far away from cops. That kind of help is never needed and your "assurance" is the kind of thing that keeps some cops awake at night.

Besides, if you're not sure about how to conduct yourself during a stop, why in blazes would you voluntarily strut up to a cop and tell him/her you've got their back?

Makes no sense.

JD

So, when Christmas lights go on sale again I shouldn't look for the red and blue ones for the car so
I can pull over police cars I see to reassure them we are good guys too? How will I ever get to show them my CHL badge if I don't get the lights and pull over the police cars ...

gigag04 wrote:

srothstein wrote:

AEA wrote:

gigag04 wrote:

AEA wrote:Local Officer may not know that the owner of the vehicle (plates) has a Texas CHL.

DPS Officers do get that information when they run a plate.

No they don't.

HUH?
Run Plate - Get owner's name and address and DL#.
Run DL# - Get CHL info.

No owner's DL number or birth date on TX plate records. so no way to do what you said. Closest you can come is in some cities, run plate, check plate through municipal court files for recent driver's with tickets, then run those DL's. But the biggest flaw in your theory is how DPS runs plates. Normally, troopers use the local dispatchers not the DPS statewide system. After all, if you ere in a dangerous position, would you want the person in Austin to know where youa re or the person controlling the local cops to get you backup. So they get exactly what the local cops get.

This.

Plus query forms can be customized, but return forms are usually not. Example:

We have some custom built queries that will check a DL number for:

DL/ID record
TCIC check
NCIC check

and give you three separate returns as separate messages. DL is entered only once.

Plates are tied to a name and address only. What SRoth said is right on.

Don't forget that plates are also tied to liability insurance.

gigag04 wrote:

AEA wrote:Local Officer may not know that the owner of the vehicle (plates) has a Texas CHL.

DPS Officers do get that information when they run a plate.

No they don't.

Nice Mr. LEO then answer me this, why is it that the Kemah Police have asked me twice before anything else "do you have your weapon on you" during a traffic stop(different officers), and why did League city ask me almost exactly the same thing before having access to my DL?

the subject of telling a LEO you have a weapon and you have his back may get you shiney braclets, same as telling a soldier in a combat zone that as a civilian you have a weapon. OUCH!

I am not a LEO or a crime fighter but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once.

JP171 wrote:

gigag04 wrote:

AEA wrote:Local Officer may not know that the owner of the vehicle (plates) has a Texas CHL.

DPS Officers do get that information when they run a plate.

No they don't.

Nice Mr. LEO then answer me this, why is it that the Kemah Police have asked me twice before anything else "do you have your weapon on you" during a traffic stop(different officers), and why did League city ask me almost exactly the same thing before having access to my DL?

the subject of telling a LEO you have a weapon and you have his back may get you shiney braclets, same as telling a soldier in a combat zone that as a civilian you have a weapon. OUCH!

You sure they didn't ask if you have a weapon on you - which is a more generic form of the question asked by many officers?

Even so, there is a local agency whose CAD system allows the officers to view prior contacts with that vehicle, including who was contacted in it. From there they can pull up the license, and get those returns as well. I think this process was mentioned earlier, but the information is not included in a standard return from a license plate query.

What's with the "Nice Mr. LEO"?

Isn't it also true in Texas that you can have a weapon in your car and not have a CHL?

If you just hand over a D/L registration and insurance, no CHL, you still may have a weapon the officer wants to know about.

Is it that hard to comport yourself throughout your adult life so as to not have warrants outstanding, or even issued? I recall former Governor Connally claiming that he had driven his entire life without ever getting a ticket. I can't claim that exactly, but warrants? Outstanding warrants? Jeepers!

JALLEN wrote:Isn't it also true in Texas that you can have a weapon in your car and not have a CHL?

Yes. The actual legislation is usually referred to as the Motorist Protection Act.

Anyone who can otherwise legally possess a handgun may keep it concealed in their car.

gigag04 wrote:

JP171 wrote:

gigag04 wrote:

AEA wrote:Local Officer may not know that the owner of the vehicle (plates) has a Texas CHL.

DPS Officers do get that information when they run a plate.

No they don't.

Nice Mr. LEO then answer me this, why is it that the Kemah Police have asked me twice before anything else "do you have your weapon on you" during a traffic stop(different officers), and why did League city ask me almost exactly the same thing before having access to my DL?

the subject of telling a LEO you have a weapon and you have his back may get you shiney braclets, same as telling a soldier in a combat zone that as a civilian you have a weapon. OUCH!

You sure they didn't ask if you have a weapon on you - which is a more generic form of the question asked by many officers?

Even so, there is a local agency whose CAD system allows the officers to view prior contacts with that vehicle, including who was contacted in it. From there they can pull up the license, and get those returns as well. I think this process was mentioned earlier, but the information is not included in a standard return from a license plate query.

What's with the "Nice Mr. LEO"?

just trying to get rid of the trouble maker name I seem to have here, and no the 3 times I am refering to it was do you have "your" weapon on you, it was before I even got my DL out, also in 3 different vehicles twice in different trucks and once on my bike. maybe they do run the tag then the associated dl and get hit that way. I really don't know not being LEO.

jdkinman wrote:It's been a long time since I did the badge & gun thing, and even then it was with the dreaded feds. However, I remember when working in Texas, the cops still used "10 codes" and whenever we'd see a car/driver combo we'd snagged, we'd call the local sheriff's office dispatcher and request a "10-27 and 10-28" which were two separate inquiries--with one for details on the car (from the license tags) and the other being the details on the operator (from his/her drivers license).

The only way I can see DPS having your CHL information via your license tags is when the vehicle you're operating is registered in your name and the database computer queries your name as a match (spelling, address usually) with the registered owner of the car.

Otherwise, we may have a Fourth Amendment issue.

I've been pulled over three times since acquiring my CHL. I do not care what the law says about informing the officer, I know what I'm going to do having worked in that officer's shoes before. I'm going to be polite, professional and non-hostile and for God's sake, stow the attitude.

As far as easing up to every cop you see and whispering sweet nothings in their ear like "Hey dude, I'm a trained CHL holder now and don't fret--I've got your back," I can't imagine WHY anyone would want to do this.

A CHL holder (literally) saved my life one night on a dark highway several states to the east when instead of one guy getting out of a vehicle, four guys got out and the fight was on. Two booming shots into the air stopped my assailants just long enough for me to retrieve my pistol and club two of them between the eyes as the other two backed away from the citizen with a gun. He was screaming "I have a permit! I have a permit! I'm a good guy!" which was enough for me and the nano-second I had the four guys spread out over the pavement, he laid his gun down on the pavement and backed away.

I have yet to meet the cop who really wants to get badly beaten or killed at the risk of not having someone help him/her out, but I've also yet to meet the cop that wants some freshly CHL'd bozo strutting up to him and assuring him that "I've got your back."

That is bravado and it is exactly what LE does not want to hear.

My advice to the young newly minted CHL holder is to stick to wearing camo and chewing tobacco and stay far, far away from cops. That kind of help is never needed and your "assurance" is the kind of thing that keeps some cops awake at night.

Besides, if you're not sure about how to conduct yourself during a stop, why in blazes would you voluntarily strut up to a cop and tell him/her you've got their back?

Makes no sense.

JD

JD, I can see that I backed out of this thread too soon.....

The part in RED... I'm pretty sure that the orignal respondent was joking.

The part in BLUE.... that's why I was saying that, for the most part, I'd stay out of the officer's way and let him/her do their job unless things very suddenly went high and to the inside and he/she needed immediate help. I'm not going to stand by like a bump on a log and watch an officer get killed, but as an older guy with few "hands on" skills or capabilities remaining, I am very aware of my limitations.

i've been stopped once by sapd , handed my driver licence and chl card to leo,I even forgot to give him my proof of ins . leo said have a nice day and let me go no ticket . stopped twice for mandatory border patrol check points . again handed my driver lic. and chl card , let me through without the usual let's play 20 question's .