Fomer Marine Arrrested for Facebook Postings

[VMI77]

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2012/08/a ... se-082312/

The Rutherford Institute says the Hopewell Circuit Court judge Thursday said the involuntary commitment order issued against Brandon Raub was invalid because it contained no allegation or basis to hold him.

http://wtvr.com/2012/08/23/brandon-raub ... ran-freed/

CBS 6 News’ Catie Beck said the Judge Allan Sharrett dismissed the case Thursday against Brandon Raub. The judge said the original petition for Raub’s detention contained no facts. In other words, there was no information on why Raub was being held — and the judge deemed this violated his civil liberties.

As a result, the judge ruled the government had no grounds to hold Raub.

So much for those of you who seem to believe there was some legitimate reason for arresting this Marine and incarcerating him. Now if we could just find out how far up the food chain the sign off on this went.....Big Sis? Holder?

Edited to add this, from DailyKOS of all places http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/2 ... etail=hide

"The petition is so devoid of any factual allegations that it could not be reasonably expected to give rise to a case or controversy," reads a signed statement by Circuit Judge W. Allan Sharrett, which was provided to the Richmond Times-Dispatch Thursday afternoon.

Judge Sharrett adds that he was shocked to find that a magistrate did not include any grounds at all for holding Raub, who was placed in custody for a full week without any charges being pressed.

So, the government is now picking up and holding people just because they want to.

[Jim Beaux]

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2012/08/a ... se-082312/

The Rutherford Institute says the Hopewell Circuit Court judge Thursday said the involuntary commitment order issued against Brandon Raub was invalid because it contained no allegation or basis to hold him.

http://wtvr.com/2012/08/23/brandon-raub ... ran-freed/

CBS 6 News’ Catie Beck said the Judge Allan Sharrett dismissed the case Thursday against Brandon Raub. The judge said the original petition for Raub’s detention contained no facts. In other words, there was no information on why Raub was being held — and the judge deemed this violated his civil liberties.

As a result, the judge ruled the government had no grounds to hold Raub.

So much for those of you who seem to believe there was some legitimate reason for arresting this Marine and incarcerating him. Now if we could just find out how far up the food chain the sign off on this went.....Big Sis? Holder?

Edited to add this, from DailyKOS of all places http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/2 ... etail=hide

"The petition is so devoid of any factual allegations that it could not be reasonably expected to give rise to a case or controversy," reads a signed statement by Circuit Judge W. Allan Sharrett, which was provided to the Richmond Times-Dispatch Thursday afternoon.

Judge Sharrett adds that he was shocked to find that a magistrate did not include any grounds at all for holding Raub, who was placed in custody for a full week without any charges being pressed.

So, the government is now picking up and holding people just because they want to.

Most respondents stated that it was irresponsible to jump to conclusions when there is a shortage of facts.... I'm hearing echos of the "broken clock" adage....

[Heartland Patriot]

VMI77, me complaining I didn't care for the guy being into the "9/11 truther" stuff made me think of something...if that is the sort of thing they "detained" him for, then why haven't they detained Rosie O'Donnell? Just using her because she's the biggest proponent of that theory that I can think of (and it is a rhetorical question that we both know the answer to)...and yes, you were right, it was completely ludicrous that he was ARRESTED without charges and the judge obviously could see that quite easily.

[VMI77]

VMI77, me complaining I didn't care for the guy being into the "9/11 truther" stuff made me think of something...if that is the sort of thing they "detained" him for, then why haven't they detained Rosie O'Donnell? Just using her because she's the biggest proponent of that theory that I can think of (and it is a rhetorical question that we both know the answer to)...and yes, you were right, it was completely ludicrous that he was ARRESTED without charges and the judge obviously could see that quite easily.

Rosie is a leftie for one thing. I think this guy fits a profile --right wing, ex-military, gun owner, anti-current-government, male, Christian.....I actually don't think the 9/11 truther aspect had all that much to do with it other than perhaps helping to paint him as a conspiracy nut and lend more credibility to his detention. In the list I gave above, 75% of those subjected to similar treatment were current or ex-military, none, so far as I know, were 9/11 truthers. I think the two key elements are: 1) gun owner, and 2) ex-military. This may also be part of an attempt to establish a precedent for disarming gun owners without the obstacle of charges and trials.

[Heartland Patriot]

VMI77, me complaining I didn't care for the guy being into the "9/11 truther" stuff made me think of something...if that is the sort of thing they "detained" him for, then why haven't they detained Rosie O'Donnell? Just using her because she's the biggest proponent of that theory that I can think of (and it is a rhetorical question that we both know the answer to)...and yes, you were right, it was completely ludicrous that he was ARRESTED without charges and the judge obviously could see that quite easily.

Rosie is a leftie for one thing. I think this guy fits a profile --right wing, ex-military, gun owner, anti-current-government, male, Christian.....I actually don't think the 9/11 truther aspect had all that much to do with it other than perhaps helping to paint him as a conspiracy nut and lend more credibility to his detention. In the list I gave above, 75% of those subjected to similar treatment were current or ex-military, none, so far as I know, were 9/11 truthers. I think the two key elements are: 1) gun owner, and 2) ex-military. This may also be part of an attempt to establish a precedent for disarming gun owners without the obstacle of charges and trials.

So, maybe its supposed to help them establish a narrative about "crazy veterans" among the general public. They released that Homeland Security paper a while back with a scenario of returning vets as a domestic danger...maybe this is about pushing that narrative to the next level. If it hadn't been for that paper previously, I'd feel like I was just "tinfoil hatting", but now it just seems like another crook stunt from this crooked bunch.

[VMI77]

VMI77, me complaining I didn't care for the guy being into the "9/11 truther" stuff made me think of something...if that is the sort of thing they "detained" him for, then why haven't they detained Rosie O'Donnell? Just using her because she's the biggest proponent of that theory that I can think of (and it is a rhetorical question that we both know the answer to)...and yes, you were right, it was completely ludicrous that he was ARRESTED without charges and the judge obviously could see that quite easily.

Rosie is a leftie for one thing. I think this guy fits a profile --right wing, ex-military, gun owner, anti-current-government, male, Christian.....I actually don't think the 9/11 truther aspect had all that much to do with it other than perhaps helping to paint him as a conspiracy nut and lend more credibility to his detention. In the list I gave above, 75% of those subjected to similar treatment were current or ex-military, none, so far as I know, were 9/11 truthers. I think the two key elements are: 1) gun owner, and 2) ex-military. This may also be part of an attempt to establish a precedent for disarming gun owners without the obstacle of charges and trials.

So, maybe its supposed to help them establish a narrative about "crazy veterans" among the general public. They released that Homeland Security paper a while back with a scenario of returning vets as a domestic danger...maybe this is about pushing that narrative to the next level. If it hadn't been for that paper previously, I'd feel like I was just "tinfoil hatting", but now it just seems like another crook stunt from this crooked bunch.

Big Sis and friends are obviously trying to single out military veterans but they have a problem: a lot of political capital has been expended to get people to "support the troops," and the military is the only Federal institution most people trust, so they're working against the grain. Even liberals don't generally dis military personnel these days, though in spite of the rhetoric, the most rabid of them, like Big Sis and the Obamanation, obviously hate the military and its values. So I think the inclination of many people is to doubt the government narrative when the person accused is a veteran, especially if that person is a combat veteran.

So, either their ideology is blinding them to reality and they're making bad choices, they're setting the stage for something else, or the narrative is only intended to appeal to the liberal core that is predisposed to believe the worst about veterans. However, even the DailyKOS was sympathetic to the Marine in this case, and not the government, so maybe they're just beta testing public reaction. I don't know, but I don't trust the ruling sociopaths.

[Heartland Patriot]

Big Sis and friends are obviously trying to single out military veterans but they have a problem: a lot of political capital has been expended to get people to "support the troops," and the military is the only Federal institution most people trust, so they're working against the grain. Even liberals don't generally dis military personnel these days, though in spite of the rhetoric, the most rabid of them, like Big Sis and the Obamanation, obviously hate the military and its values. So I think the inclination of many people is to doubt the government narrative when the person accused is a veteran, especially if that person is a combat veteran.

So, either their ideology is blinding them to reality and they're making bad choices, they're setting the stage for something else, or the narrative is only intended to appeal to the liberal core that is predisposed to believe the worst about veterans. However, even the DailyKOS was sympathetic to the Marine in this case, and not the government, so maybe they're just beta testing public reaction. I don't know, but I don't trust the ruling sociopaths.

I see what you are saying. Its like software where you see how "useable" features are or if the user likes the feature at all. If not, you dump it and try a different approach. They used some movies back in the day to inflate the narrative of "crazy Vietnam vets", for instance, but that approach hasn't had much of an impact these days as most of the movies about the current wars fell flat. So, they are trying to use their mass media pals to do the dirty work for them this time...and have to "tune" the narrative until they find one that "works". I know it all sounds a little out there, but these people are heavily invested in the media and psychological and sociological disciplines...I put NOTHING past them anymore...NOTHING.

[E.Marquez]

[I understood your comment. I'm just pointing out, as you allude to in your remark about the presstitutes, that if this Marine had actually broken the law, he'd have been arrested and put in jail, and the Feds would be touting the "evidence." Of course, when the Feds claim they have "evidence," that is often a lie anyway. For instance, so and so militia member had "bomb making" components in his garage.....IOW, he had a container of gas for fueling his lawn mower, rags, laundry detergent, and some empty jars. There have been a number of high profile cases where the Feds have claimed they had the goods on someone...like the Michigan militia, and the trial verdicts have been, acquitted, acquitted, acquitted.

This kind of widely open ability to claim “bomb or terrorism materials”
Is a bit concerning…to me and has been for some time.

If so interested the claim could be made of the contents of my habitation easily. From my “arsenal” (what’s in my safe and gun vaults)to my “ammo Stockpile” (on hand ammo is in the 4000 rds today, less after I go to the range this weekend) to the 10's of thousands of dollars in military gear (27 years as in infantry Soldier, still active duty with 4 issues of gear from this time at FT Hood alone)my “sniper rifle” (a few rifles that are in the long range category and have the optics to reinforce that stigma) to the “materials and equipment capable of making “silencers” and parts to convert weapons to fully automatic machine guns” (my home metal working equipment and supplies, tig and mig welders, plasma and gas torch, hydraulic press, lathe and mil, various materials from past projects and for future projects) , Bomb making materials and electronics that can be used as remote detonation devices (from the garage door opener, to long range phones, cell phones, many storage containers with wire, terminals, connectors, heat shrink tube, ect ect)

Or it could be just what it is,, a life time of tools, guns, ammo, machines and materials I have a collected along the way for personal use, professional gear ect..

But it’s all in the talking heads opinion.. and words spoken,,, that stuff above could be claimed to be anything the agent wants to call it…

[VMI77]

[I understood your comment. I'm just pointing out, as you allude to in your remark about the presstitutes, that if this Marine had actually broken the law, he'd have been arrested and put in jail, and the Feds would be touting the "evidence." Of course, when the Feds claim they have "evidence," that is often a lie anyway. For instance, so and so militia member had "bomb making" components in his garage.....IOW, he had a container of gas for fueling his lawn mower, rags, laundry detergent, and some empty jars. There have been a number of high profile cases where the Feds have claimed they had the goods on someone...like the Michigan militia, and the trial verdicts have been, acquitted, acquitted, acquitted.

This kind of widely open ability to claim “bomb or terrorism materials”
Is a bit concerning…to me and has been for some time.

If so interested the claim could be made of the contents of my habitation easily. From my “arsenal” (what’s in my safe and gun vaults)to my “ammo Stockpile” (on hand ammo is in the 4000 rds today, less after I go to the range this weekend) to the 10's of thousands of dollars in military gear (27 years as in infantry Soldier, still active duty with 4 issues of gear from this time at FT Hood alone)my “sniper rifle” (a few rifles that are in the long range category and have the optics to reinforce that stigma) to the “materials and equipment capable of making “silencers” and parts to convert weapons to fully automatic machine guns” (my home metal working equipment and supplies, tig and mig welders, plasma and gas torch, hydraulic press, lathe and mil, various materials from past projects and for future projects) , Bomb making materials and electronics that can be used as remote detonation devices (from the garage door opener, to long range phones, cell phones, many storage containers with wire, terminals, connectors, heat shrink tube, ect ect)

Or it could be just what it is,, a life time of tools, guns, ammo, machines and materials I have a collected along the way for personal use, professional gear ect..

But it’s all in the talking heads opinion.. and words spoken,,, that stuff above could be claimed to be anything the agent wants to call it…

Yep, you're a dangerous guy. If you lived in California you'd probably be in violation of the law --if you have a night vision scope for a rifle, a Judge handgun (considered a sawed off shotgun in lala land), magazines of greater than 10 round capacity, or more than 1 lb of black powder. For the Feds, it all depends on what they want to do. If you become a target for some reason there is no doubt in my mind they will interpret your possessions into wild claims and dangerous threats --but probably, you won't ever be a target. I assume you're aware of what the BATF calls "constructive possession" and "readily convertible" (conversion taking less than 8 hours). These cases seem to be based on possession of parts and I haven't heard of any based on machine tools, but then the BATF essentially makes up the rules as they go along. I'd suspect that they might broaden their interpretations if they made a target out of someone.

[Heartland Patriot]

[I understood your comment. I'm just pointing out, as you allude to in your remark about the presstitutes, that if this Marine had actually broken the law, he'd have been arrested and put in jail, and the Feds would be touting the "evidence." Of course, when the Feds claim they have "evidence," that is often a lie anyway. For instance, so and so militia member had "bomb making" components in his garage.....IOW, he had a container of gas for fueling his lawn mower, rags, laundry detergent, and some empty jars. There have been a number of high profile cases where the Feds have claimed they had the goods on someone...like the Michigan militia, and the trial verdicts have been, acquitted, acquitted, acquitted.

This kind of widely open ability to claim “bomb or terrorism materials”
Is a bit concerning…to me and has been for some time.

If so interested the claim could be made of the contents of my habitation easily. From my “arsenal” (what’s in my safe and gun vaults)to my “ammo Stockpile” (on hand ammo is in the 4000 rds today, less after I go to the range this weekend) to the 10's of thousands of dollars in military gear (27 years as in infantry Soldier, still active duty with 4 issues of gear from this time at FT Hood alone)my “sniper rifle” (a few rifles that are in the long range category and have the optics to reinforce that stigma) to the “materials and equipment capable of making “silencers” and parts to convert weapons to fully automatic machine guns” (my home metal working equipment and supplies, tig and mig welders, plasma and gas torch, hydraulic press, lathe and mil, various materials from past projects and for future projects) , Bomb making materials and electronics that can be used as remote detonation devices (from the garage door opener, to long range phones, cell phones, many storage containers with wire, terminals, connectors, heat shrink tube, ect ect)

Or it could be just what it is,, a life time of tools, guns, ammo, machines and materials I have a collected along the way for personal use, professional gear ect..

But it’s all in the talking heads opinion.. and words spoken,,, that stuff above could be claimed to be anything the agent wants to call it…

VERY impressive equipment listing...MIG AND TIG? A lathe? Hydraulic press? Very nice list of equipment, indeed.