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I saw the FBI video when I was in the police academy, It detailed the flaws in what was then termed a "felony traffic stop". It also pointed out that the reason the FBI immediately went to the 9mm silvertip ammo was because it was determined that it did cause a fatal wound in the BG. However, he was still able to fight and kill for several minutes.

I'm not sure if it is the same one, but we were told about CHP officers, who were found with spent rounds in their pockets, after a shootout, because they were trained to dump the empty cylinder into their hand, and put the rounds in their pockets to prevent having to police the brass after practice.
That was just one more step that slowed down reloading, and showed how you revert to exactly how you are trained in a scenario like that.

bblhd672 wrote:

carlson1 wrote:Yet there are still those who have the false ideal of you "don't have to aim your shotgun" or "with a shotgun you can't miss."

Anyone who says "with a shotgun you can't miss" has never spent a day and boxes of shells shooting unsuccessfully at low flying doves.

I had to demonstrate that to my daughter after she got a shotgun for HD. I measured all of the distances in her house, and then set up target at those distances. She was very disappointed in her "just point and shoot" technique for hits on target. Even from 23' which was the longest distance inside her house, she was getting very few pellets on target with #00 buck. She had also assumed, or had been told, by misinformed people, that it would spread enough to hit someone at 10 feet, without aiming. At 10' the spread wasn't much more than 2". We then went over proper aiming techniques, and she was able to put shots on target.