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03Lightningrocks wrote:...The biggest problem with the ADHD diagnosis is that there is no blood test or brain scan that determines the illness. It is a purely subjective diagnosis, based on opinions from teachers of the child. While I agree that there are some children with this issue that can be helped with drugs, I just cannot believe it is ten percent of our children....

Once again, wrong.
Diagnostic criteria for attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder
To be diagnosed with ADHD, your child must meet the criteria spelled out in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders IV (DSM-IV). This manual is published by the American Psychiatric Association. For a diagnosis of ADHD, a child must have six or more signs and symptoms from one of the two categories below (or, six or more signs and symptoms from each of the two categories).

Inattention

Often fails to give close attention to details or makes careless mistakes in schoolwork and other activities
Often has difficulty sustaining attention in tasks or play activities
Often does not seem to listen when spoken to directly
Often does not follow through on instructions and fails to finish schoolwork or chores (not due to oppositional behavior or failure to understand instructions)
Often has difficulty organizing tasks and activities
Often avoids, dislikes or is reluctant to engage in tasks that require sustained mental effort (such as schoolwork or homework)
Often loses things necessary for tasks or activities (for example, toys, school assignments, pencils, books)
Is often easily distracted
Is often forgetful in daily activities

Hyperactivity and impulsivity

Often fidgets with hands or feet or squirms in seat
Often leaves seat in classroom or in other situations in which remaining seated is expected
Often runs about or climbs excessively in situations in which it is inappropriate
Often has difficulty playing or engaging in leisure activities quietly
Is often "on the go" or often acts as if "driven by a motor"
Often talks excessively
Often blurts out answers before questions have been completed
Often has difficulty awaiting turn
Often interrupts or intrudes on others (for example, butts into conversations or games)

In addition to having at least six signs or symptoms from one of the two categories, a child with ADHD:

Has inattentive or hyperactive-impulsive signs and symptoms that caused impairment and were present before age 7
Has behaviors that aren't normal for children the same age who don't have ADHD
Has symptoms for at least six months
Has symptoms that affect school, home life or relationships in more than one setting (such as at home and at school)

A child diagnosed with ADHD is often given a more specific diagnosis, such as:

Predominantly inattentive-type ADHD — a child has at least six signs and symptoms from the inattention list above.
Predominantly hyperactive-impulsive-type ADHD — a child has at least six signs and symptoms from the hyperactivity and impulsivity list above.
Combined type ADHD — a child has six or more signs and symptoms from each of the two lists above.


http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/adhd/D ... -diagnosis" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
That's not subjective. That is empirically observable objective criteria.

http://www.adhd.org.nz/neuro1.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.google.com/search?q=adhd+cat ... 24&bih=638" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I can use Google, too.
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Re: 5 year old girl questioned for three hours

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bdickens wrote:
03Lightningrocks wrote:
bdickens wrote:
03Lightningrocks wrote: They are giving children drugs that have been proven to cause wonderful side affects such as depression, suicidal tendencies... The drugs they give them cause their young brains to quit manufacturing dopamine, which is a neat chemical that gives us pleasure. Ritalin and its generics are amongst these drugs....

You are flat-out WRONG here. Stimulants such as Ritalin, Adderall, etc. actually stimulate the brain into either producing more neurotransmitters such as dopamine or enhancing the reception thereof. That is their primary reason for being prescribed in the management of ADHD.

Get your facts straight.

Ok. To each his own... I have my facts exactly correct. I'm not going to waste time arguing with a person on the Internet. I was simply suggesting one watch the show. I was talking in general terms. Maybe you should get your reading comprehension skills straight. I said that some of the drugs they are doping up kids with are creating dopamine production issues... I am not a doctor and based on your over reaction to my post, I doubt you are. ADHD is the most abused over diagnosed condition ever perpetrated on he American public.

Like I said... Watch the show.

When the brain is artificially induced to stimulate dopamine, it soon stops doing it on its own.

And if you want to quote someone, cutting off the post where it fits your agenda is not impressive. After your fancy dot dot dot... I plainly made it clear that I was talking of the many drugs they are over prescribing our kids.

Here is one link for your observation. A simple google search and you will find thousands warning of ritilin alone... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/artic ... fects.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It never ceases to amaze me how someone can look at a couple of shoddy pieces of yellow journalism about something and then decide that they are experts on something as complex as ADHD and the treatment thereof. I'll wager that I've forgotten more about ADHD than you will ever know.

It also amazes me how someone who doesn't know how to use proper punctuation is going to try to denigrate my command of the English language.

(FYI: that "fancy dot dot dot... [sic]" is called an elipsis and is used to indicate a deliberate omission from a quotation. )

It never ceases to amaze me how rude people will be behind a keyboard. You are on ignore!!!
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I can be even ruder in person.

Goodbye. Have a nice day.
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bdickens wrote:
03Lightningrocks wrote: They are giving children drugs that have been proven to cause wonderful side affects such as depression, suicidal tendencies... The drugs they give them cause their young brains to quit manufacturing dopamine, which is a neat chemical that gives us pleasure. Ritalin and its generics are amongst these drugs....

You are flat-out WRONG here. Stimulants such as Ritalin, Adderall, etc. actually stimulate the brain into either producing more neurotransmitters such as dopamine or enhancing the reception thereof. That is their primary reason for being prescribed in the management of ADHD.

Get your facts straight.

actually you are wrong, ritalin is an reuptake inhibitor it is neither a dopaminergic stimulant nor a beta adrenergic agent. there fore read below it actually closes off the dopaminergic receptors or class of drugs known as antagonists

The mode of therapeutic action
in Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) is not known. Methylphenidate is thought to
block the reuptake of norepinephrine and dopamine into the presynaptic neuron and increase the
release of these monoamines into the extraneuronal space. Methylphenidate is a racemic mixture
comprised of the d- and l-threo enantiomers. The d-threo enantiomer is more pharmacologically active
than the l-threo enantiomer.
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Re: 5 year old girl questioned for three hours

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JP171 wrote:
bdickens wrote:
03Lightningrocks wrote: They are giving children drugs that have been proven to cause wonderful side affects such as depression, suicidal tendencies... The drugs they give them cause their young brains to quit manufacturing dopamine, which is a neat chemical that gives us pleasure. Ritalin and its generics are amongst these drugs....

You are flat-out WRONG here. Stimulants such as Ritalin, Adderall, etc. actually stimulate the brain into either producing more neurotransmitters such as dopamine or enhancing the reception thereof. That is their primary reason for being prescribed in the management of ADHD.

Get your facts straight.

actually you are wrong, ritalin is an reuptake inhibitor it is neither a dopaminergic stimulant nor a beta adrenergic agent. there fore read below it actually closes off the dopaminergic receptors or class of drugs known as antagonists

The mode of therapeutic action
in Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) is not known. Methylphenidate is thought to
block the reuptake of norepinephrine and dopamine into the presynaptic neuron and increase the
release of these monoamines into the extraneuronal space. Methylphenidate is a racemic mixture
comprised of the d- and l-threo enantiomers. The d-threo enantiomer is more pharmacologically active
than the l-threo enantiomer.

Oh my! :mrgreen:
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03Lightningrocks wrote:
JP171 wrote:
bdickens wrote:
03Lightningrocks wrote: They are giving children drugs that have been proven to cause wonderful side affects such as depression, suicidal tendencies... The drugs they give them cause their young brains to quit manufacturing dopamine, which is a neat chemical that gives us pleasure. Ritalin and its generics are amongst these drugs....

You are flat-out WRONG here. Stimulants such as Ritalin, Adderall, etc. actually stimulate the brain into either producing more neurotransmitters such as dopamine or enhancing the reception thereof. That is their primary reason for being prescribed in the management of ADHD.

Get your facts straight.

actually you are wrong, ritalin is an reuptake inhibitor it is neither a dopaminergic stimulant nor a beta adrenergic agent. there fore read below it actually closes off the dopaminergic receptors or class of drugs known as antagonists

The mode of therapeutic action
in Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) is not known. Methylphenidate is thought to
block the reuptake of norepinephrine and dopamine into the presynaptic neuron and increase the
release of these monoamines into the extraneuronal space. Methylphenidate is a racemic mixture
comprised of the d- and l-threo enantiomers. The d-threo enantiomer is more pharmacologically active
than the l-threo enantiomer.

Oh my! :mrgreen:

LOLOLOLOL yea suddenly got very quiet hmmmm. he may understand the basic action but not the method or phamracology and before one so exaulted puts his foot in his mouth he should consider sewing it shut. me yea I know I am a butthead, I freely admit it, however I do know a thing or 3
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Re: 5 year old girl questioned for three hours

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JP171 wrote:LOLOLOLOL yea suddenly got very quiet hmmmm. he may understand the basic action but not the method or phamracology and before one so exaulted puts his foot in his mouth he should consider sewing it shut. me yea I know I am a butthead, I freely admit it, however I do know a thing or 3
- em mine

Probably a doctor then. :roll:
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It is obvious we all have our own thoughts on the ADHD issue. The topic of the thread was concerning the zero tolerance policy in our schools. Maybe we can start a separate thread on ADHD.

The movie... "The War on Kids" ... Is about the zero tolerence policies and how it is turning schools into what resemble high security prisons. Check it out, some of you may find it interesting. :cheers2:
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:smash: That is pretty bad.
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JP171 wrote: actually you are wrong, ritalin is an reuptake inhibitor it is neither a dopaminergic stimulant nor a beta adrenergic agent. there fore read below it actually closes off the dopaminergic receptors or class of drugs known as antagonists

The mode of therapeutic action
in Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) is not known. Methylphenidate is thought to
block the reuptake of norepinephrine and dopamine into the presynaptic neuron and increase the
release of these monoamines into the extraneuronal space. Methylphenidate is a racemic mixture
comprised of the d- and l-threo enantiomers. The d-threo enantiomer is more pharmacologically active
than the l-threo enantiomer.

Perhaps a bit more reading would be in order:
The means by which methylphenidate affects people diagnosed with ADHD are not well understood. Some researchers have theorized that ADHD is caused by a dopamine imbalance in the brains of those affected. Methylphenidate is a norepinephrine and dopamine reuptake inhibitor, which means that it increases the level of the dopamine neurotransmitter in the brain by partially blocking the dopamine transporter (DAT) that removes dopamine from the synapses.[41] This inhibition of DAT blocks the reuptake of dopamine and norepinephrine into the presynaptic neuron, increasing the amount of dopamine in the synapse. It also stimulates the release of dopamine and norepinephrine into the synapse. Finally, it increases the magnitude of dopamine release after a stimulus, increasing the salience of stimulus. An alternate explanation that has been explored is that the methylphenidate affects the action of serotonin in the brain.[16][42] However, benefits with other stimulants that have a different mechanism of action indicates that support for a deficit in specific neurotransmitters is unsupported and unproven by the evidence and remains a speculative hypothesis.[43]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylphenidate" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
You seem to not understand what reuptake is or what a reuptake inhibitor does.

A reuptake inhibitor (RI), also known as a transporter blocker, is a drug that inhibits the plasmalemmal transporter-mediated reuptake of a neurotransmitter from the synapse into the pre-synaptic neuron, leading to an increase in the extracellular concentrations of the neurotransmitter and therefore an increase in neurotransmission.... emphasis mine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reuptake_inhibitor" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
At least when someone says I'm wrong, I can either accept the correction or meet argument with argument instead of putting people on "ignore" and throwing nasty PMs around.

At any rate, the ADHD pharmacopeia most certainly does not cause the brain to "quit manufacturing dopamine" and whoever made that statement originally is woefully ignorant.

Can Ritalin and other stimulant drugs have undesirable side-effects? Of course. So can aspirin. People have even died from reactions to it.

To issue a blanket condemnation of an entire class of medications that have helped thousands of people based on a few isolated incidents of bad side-effects or misuse is like -- well, like issuing a blanket condemnation firearms based on a few isolated incidents of misuse and is a result of the same sort of logically flawed thinking.
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Not only are we far afield of a 5 year old child being "questioned" for hours; it's turned into personal attacks.

Get back on topic or this thread is going to be locked.

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I'll go.

Raise your hand if you think you qualify for the label ADHD.

:hurry: This is as close to a raise my hand smiley as there was.

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